Xpro3 or X100V

Renv3r · Jun 4, 2022

After restraining myself of buying a FF camera in January (Shoulder injury), I’m suffering from GAS again. After purchasing a Nikon Z50 last year, which I’m very pleased about, I do ‘miss’ something. I can’t really explain it. As much as I love my Nikon and Ricoh GRIII, it doesn’t offer me the pleasure my old XT10 gave me. So most of the times I only end up using them at motorsport events (Nikon) and on holiday. Despite the much more sharper images they don’t offer me that much joy when taking photos.

So after a look at the line up I ended up with 3 options left with reasons why they look appealing.

* The Xpro3: More versatile than the X100V due to the possibility of changing lenses. But on the other hand, changing lenses can be quite a hassle. And I only own the 2 xc kit lenses that came with my XT10. If I would buy this one I probably would by it with the 18-55mm and maybe a small prime (Not the heavy and expensive stuff).

* X100V: No hassle of changing lenses. Personally I think this will challenge me more. Can be a good but also a bad thing. All in one package (No need to buy more lenses…)

* Or the Xe-4: A bit the same reasons as the Xpro3 but cheaper. But here is the size and the few controls holding me back a bit. Really loved the buttons and dials on my XT10.

I ruled the other XT. and XT.0 due to the overlap with the Z50 which I still want to use on Motorsport and maybe holidays.

So what do you think as an Xpro3 or X100. user think?

Thanks in advance.

Guyps · Jun 4, 2022

X-T3 user here with a couple of lenses. Mainly shoot with the XF 35 F2.

I rented the X100V for free from the Fuji rental UK service last November and had it with me on a day out for my Daughters 4th Birthday. Really enjoyed it. The wider FOV being able to grab more of the background than I am usually using. The close focus, the ability to slip it in a large jacket pocket and the enhanced options for fuji 'recipes' over my X-T3.

When one came back in stock just before christmas I hesitated and it sold out again. Regretting it now.

Only you can make up your own decision

For me - I'm not sure If I should grab an XF 23 F2. But this would still not be able to slip into a large pocket like the X100V could. or the new 23 1.4.

Or wait for an X100V to come into stock

Do you not think the Ricoh GR and the X100V would cross over too much for you?

AwesomelyBad · Jun 4, 2022

X100V is a great all in one package, but I’d ask how you feel about a 35mm (equivalent) focal length? If you think you’d naturally choose a 35-40mm prime for a walkabout lens most of the time, an X100V is hard to beat. But if you prefer a tighter lens like a 50mm equivalent or somethingt wider than 35, all the size benefits of the X100 series goes out the window with the conversion lenses.

I use an X100V with the TCL and WCL. They’re optically great for what they do, but the TCL on the X100V makes me envious of the size of the XF 35 f2. I got the X100V because I wanted something that could be super small and portable with a tiny bit of optical flexibility without having to get into a second lens ecosystem. For me it does exactly what I wanted and I’m extremely happy with it for what it is. But if I wasn’t invested in Canon the Canon RF system, I’d have probably gone with an interchangeable lens Fuji body over the X100V.

andrew_stannard · Jun 4, 2022

Hi,

I now shoot only with the X100V and the 2 convertor lenses, having previously owned at various times the X-T1, X-Pro2 and the X-T3.

I'm more than happy with my decision and enjoy the simplicity and light weight of the X100V system, but I never used telephoto lengths much when I did have a bunch of lenses. If long focal lengths are part of what you like, then I suspect you'll miss those.

If I was shooting on comission for clients I'd want an interchangeable lens system, but shooting for myself under my own terms I just love the X100V.

As has been pointed out, the TCL is quite large. For me it gets the least use of the three focal lengths. The only lens I miss sometimes is the 90mm F2 - heck of a lens, that can produce some fantastic images.

Renv3r · Jun 4, 2022

Guyps said:
X-T3 user here with a couple of lenses. Mainly shoot with the XF 35 F2.

I rented the X100V for free from the Fuji rental UK service last November and had it with me on a day out for my Daughters 4th Birthday. Really enjoyed it. The wider FOV being able to grab more of the background than I am usually using. The close focus, the ability to slip it in a large jacket pocket and the enhanced options for fuji 'recipes' over my X-T3.

When one came back in stock just before christmas I hesitated and it sold out again. Regretting it now.

Only you can make up your own decision

For me - I'm not sure If I should grab an XF 23 F2. But this would still not be able to slip into a large pocket like the X100V could. or the new 23 1.4.

Or wait for an X100V to come into stock

Do you not think the Ricoh GR and the X100V would cross over too much for you?

Thanks for your 2 cents Guyps. The pocket ability is indeed one of the big pluses. The GR and the X100V would probably cross over. My Ricoh is giving me great, sharp shots but I don’t like the experience that much, so most of the times I don’t even bother to take it with me when I’m going somewhere (except holidays).

At this moment I’m rather leaning towards the X100V.

Renv3r · Jun 4, 2022

AwesomelyBad said:
X100V is a great all in one package, but I’d ask how you feel about a 35mm (equivalent) focal length? If you think you’d naturally choose a 35-40mm prime for a walkabout lens most of the time, an X100V is hard to beat. But if you prefer a tighter lens like a 50mm equivalent or somethingt wider than 35, all the size benefits of the X100 series goes out the window with the conversion lenses.

I use an X100V with the TCL and WCL. They’re optically great for what they do, but the TCL on the X100V makes me envious of the size of the XF 35 f2. I got the X100V because I wanted something that could be super small and portable with a tiny bit of optical flexibility without having to get into a second lens ecosystem. For me it does exactly what I wanted and I’m extremely happy with it for what it is. But if I wasn’t invested in Canon the Canon RF system, I’d have probably gone with an interchangeable lens Fuji body over the X100V.

Hi AwesomelyBad

Most of the times I like to shoot wider. But I try to adapt. So the 35mm (FF equivalent) wouldn’t bother me. Not really in. Eed of a telephoto lens. 95% of the time I’ll only use these on motorsport events. The odd times I use them on holidays is when I’m seeing a bird or a special train. But that’s it.

Thanks for your response.

Renv3r · Jun 4, 2022

andrew_stannard said:
Hi,

I now shoot only with the X100V and the 2 convertor lenses, having previously owned at various times the X-T1, X-Pro2 and the X-T3.

I'm more than happy with my decision and enjoy the simplicity and light weight of the X100V system, but I never used telephoto lengths much when I did have a bunch of lenses. If long focal lengths are part of what you like, then I suspect you'll miss those.

If I was shooting on comission for clients I'd want an interchangeable lens system, but shooting for myself under my own terms I just love the X100V.

As has been pointed out, the TCL is quite large. For me it gets the least use of the three focal lengths. The only lens I miss sometimes is the 90mm F2 - heck of a lens, that can produce some fantastic images.

Hi Andrew

Thanks for your response. Unfortunately I don’t shoot for clients. Or maybe i should say fortunately ;-).

Not really in need of the longer focal ranges. I’m indeed looking for a camera that can bring me the joy back In photography with his simplicity. My XT10 have been giving me much more joy then the recent cameras I’ve got.

Xe11ent · Jun 4, 2022

I went from X-Pro2 to X100V. Chose to buy the X100V because I like the focal length and wanted to get rid of "shall I bring 2 or three lenses". It's nice and small and the X100V was really an upgrade after the X100F.

In the shop I also played with the Ricoh. I like the looks of the Fuji X100V more and wanted an EVF, but I can also imagine why people like the Ricoh. The last one is really small and pocketable. The X100V is only pocketable in a winter coat with big pockets. Still it's a great camera.

I did sell the X100V because I could try some vintage lenses and needed an interchangeable for that.

In your case I would not go for an X-Pro because you already have the Nikon.

But do ask yourself the question, is another camera really going to bring back the fun or is it just GAS (like you say yourself)?

RangerPhotog · Jun 4, 2022

Renv3r said:
* Or the Xe-4: A bit the same reasons as the Xpro3 but cheaper. But here is the size and the few controls holding me back a bit. Really loved the buttons and dials on my XT10.

1) The X-E4 is about the same size of the X100v so I'm not sure you feel that its size is a problem since you are contemplating the X100v.

2) Controls (or lack thereof). I find the controls of the X-E4 does not hold me or my photography back one bit. This is coming from someone who has a XPro3 and a X100F.

Since you are weak when it comes to the lens department, and you find interchangeable lens bodies appealing, you may want to consider a X-E4 and throw the price difference of the XPro3 towards lenses. Just throwing this out there.

MiguelATF · Jun 4, 2022

My two cents as an X-Pro3 owner and user: the XPro3 may be the THE single most fun digital camera I have ever shot with. Something about the way it feels in hand + the EVF + the Classic Neg film sim = a shooting experience which, in many ways, reminds me of the analog Pentax SLR's I used to shoot with decades ago. Plus, and this is personal, there is something rather liberating about not having a large screen in the back of the camera, but having to put your eye to the viewfinder.

No, it's not remotely pocketable, if that's a serious issue, the the X100V wins hands down. Additionally, the X100v is the nicest of the X100 series, which is saying a lot.

But - and I'm also saving one other big factor till the end - if you choose the X-Pro3, the lens - or lenses - that you shoot with, will, I think, be a key part of the experience. In my own case, before the XPro3, I tended to favor smallish cameras with wide primes - including a Ricoh with a 28mm FOV, and a very cool 30mm FOV (the Panasonic Leica 15mm) on a small mu43 body. But, it just so happened that I bought my XPro3 used - and the seller also included a semi-legendary Fuji prime, the XF35mm (f1.4) - which is very close to the classic 50mm FOV that we've all shot with on occasion. I used to love the 50mm Pentax lenses on my old analog cameras but had literally never run across any digital 50mm that I remotely liked..... until the XF 35 on my X-Pro3. Hands down, it is one of the best lenses I've ever taken a photograph with - and to my surprise, it's changed some of the ways I look for or 'see' photography. Sorry for going into so much detail, but you mentioned the 18-55 lens in your post. While admittedly it's a 'good' zoom, I don't think it's in the same universe as the XF35. To put it differently: a great camera almost seems to demand a great lens, IMHO. Your idea of a small prime, however, rocks. The only other lens I've started to really like on the XPro3 is the XF18mm - which has almost the same FOV as your Ricoh. The lens is small enough to almost make the camera feel small too - and I think it's an underrated gem.

But each of us has different ways of seeing things, so what works for one photographer (me) may not necessarily be right for the next (you). And, hell, they are both great cameras....it would be hard to 'go wrong' with either. Good luck!

Dan Axelsson · Jun 5, 2022

I use the X-T3 myself, but bought the X-S10 for my daughter as a birthday gift. I must say I like the X-S10. It is really not much bigger than the X-E4/X100V/X-PRO3. The much better grip and IBIS in that small package is great.

Night Pixel · Jun 5, 2022

Renv3r said:
* X100V: No hassle of changing lenses. Personally I think this will challenge me more. Can be a good but also a bad thing. All in one package (No need to buy more lenses…)

So what do you think as an Xpro3 or X100. user think?

Thanks in advance.

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Jeff Biscuits · Jun 5, 2022

I ended up trying both before buying. (The X100V by way of buying a used one which turned out to have a fault, and the X-Pro3 by way of hiring it for a few days.)

Both are great cameras but I ended up buying the X100V. It just seemed to come together as a camera better: it’s aesthetically a much more successful design (make of that what you will—obviously it has no effect on the technical quality of the output), and while I don’t use the OVF much, a non-zooming OVF makes more sense to me with a fixed focal length. The little outer screen on the Pro3 irritated me by being ugly with no practical purpose.

If I were to have only one camera, the balance would probably tip in favour of the Pro3, but I have an X-E3 which I use with manual lenses and occasionally a zoom, and it makes a nice complement to the X100V. Besides, the cost of a new X100V plus a used X-E3 was the same as the cost of a used X-Pro3 plus a used XF 23/2.

GSharp87 · Jun 5, 2022

The X100V is an excellent 35mm equiv “compact” camera. The combination of high magnification ratio, leaf shutter and the versatility of the 35mm focal length in a small form factor is awesome.

They have done so much right with this camera, and the fact that it looks and feels great is the icing.

Don’t sleep on the X-Pro3 though as it has its own charm!

biza43 · Jun 5, 2022

Renv3r said:
So what do you think as an Xpro3 or X100. user think?

Thanks in advance.

If you think changing lenses is a hassle, you should not consider the X-Pro3.

uniball · Jun 5, 2022

Leica Q2 or an XE4 + the 18/2. If you see yourself using the 18-55 on the XP3 and you tend to shoot wider than 23 (35mm eq) you’re probably not going to find happiness with an X100, or a bulky zoom whose range only starts at the upper end of wide. Pocketability appears to be a recurring theme although you don't use your only pocketable camera, the GR. The Q2 gives you the 18-55 via crops. The XE4 +18/2 is more pocketable with an FL you probably feel comfortable with.

I tend to shoot wide. Have owned X100's since the Bayer. I thought I'd get around the FL limitation with the X70's WCL (~26mm). But I find the WCL/TCL destroy balance and are a PITA to mount and unmount. I use my X100V outdoors, urban settings. In that environment it works very well. But it also shares time in that environment with 2 Panasonics + 30 & 50 equivalents. Basically it’s a camera I enjoy using rather than a rational purchase. Having owned an XP1 for many years, I get its appeal, just too big for me.

Maybe rent for a couple of weeks before buying anything.

Renv3r · Jun 5, 2022

Xe11ent said:
I went from X-Pro2 to X100V. Chose to buy the X100V because I like the focal length and wanted to get rid of "shall I bring 2 or three lenses". It's nice and small and the X100V was really an upgrade after the X100F.

In the shop I also played with the Ricoh. I like the looks of the Fuji X100V more and wanted an EVF, but I can also imagine why people like the Ricoh. The last one is really small and pocketable. The X100V is only pocketable in a winter coat with big pockets. Still it's a great camera.

I did sell the X100V because I could try some vintage lenses and needed an interchangeable for that.

In your case I would not go for an X-Pro because you already have the Nikon.

But do ask yourself the question, is another camera really going to bring back the fun or is it just GAS (like you say yourself)?

Difficult to say but I know from years ago I loved my XT10. This in contrary to my Z50. It's a great camera but I rather leave it at home (a bit the same like my Ricoh). One of the reasons not to go with the Xpro3 is indeed the overlap with the Z50. Although if I would go for the Xpro3 the main reason to keep the Z50 would be shooting motorsport.

I have to say, the X100V was already on the 'buy' list in 2020. The reason I went with the Ricoh was the IBIS. In my opinion back in 2020 the camera was just 'a tool' and I would love it either way to create pictures with the camera.

Renv3r · Jun 5, 2022

RangerPhotog said:
Renv3r said:

* Or the Xe-4: A bit the same reasons as the Xpro3 but cheaper. But here is the size and the few controls holding me back a bit. Really loved the buttons and dials on my XT10.

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1) The X-E4 is about the same size of the X100v so I'm not sure you feel that its size is a problem since you are contemplating the X100v.

2) Controls (or lack thereof). I find the controls of the X-E4 does not hold me or my photography back one bit. This is coming from someone who has a XPro3 and a X100F.

Since you are weak when it comes to the lens department, and you find interchangeable lens bodies appealing, you may want to consider a X-E4 and throw the price difference of the XPro3 towards lenses. Just throwing this out there.

Hi Rangerphotog

Well to be honest, this thought crossed my mind last night. I've checked the X-E4 again and I was thinking it didn't have the ring on top of the camera to a-just the shutter speed. But it does. Maybe I should check this camera out with the 18-55 and maybe a smaller prime to match the X100V. Thanks for the suggestion.

Renv3r · Jun 5, 2022

MiguelATF said:
My two cents as an X-Pro3 owner and user: the XPro3 may be the THE single most fun digital camera I have ever shot with. Something about the way it feels in hand + the EVF + the Classic Neg film sim = a shooting experience which, in many ways, reminds me of the analog Pentax SLR's I used to shoot with decades ago. Plus, and this is personal, there is something rather liberating about not having a large screen in the back of the camera, but having to put your eye to the viewfinder.

No, it's not remotely pocketable, if that's a serious issue, the the X100V wins hands down. Additionally, the X100v is the nicest of the X100 series, which is saying a lot.

But - and I'm also saving one other big factor till the end - if you choose the X-Pro3, the lens - or lenses - that you shoot with, will, I think, be a key part of the experience. In my own case, before the XPro3, I tended to favor smallish cameras with wide primes - including a Ricoh with a 28mm FOV, and a very cool 30mm FOV (the Panasonic Leica 15mm) on a small mu43 body. But, it just so happened that I bought my XPro3 used - and the seller also included a semi-legendary Fuji prime, the XF35mm (f1.4) - which is very close to the classic 50mm FOV that we've all shot with on occasion. I used to love the 50mm Pentax lenses on my old analog cameras but had literally never run across any digital 50mm that I remotely liked..... until the XF 35 on my X-Pro3. Hands down, it is one of the best lenses I've ever taken a photograph with - and to my surprise, it's changed some of the ways I look for or 'see' photography. Sorry for going into so much detail, but you mentioned the 18-55 lens in your post. While admittedly it's a 'good' zoom, I don't think it's in the same universe as the XF35. To put it differently: a great camera almost seems to demand a great lens, IMHO. Your idea of a small prime, however, rocks. The only other lens I've started to really like on the XPro3 is the XF18mm - which has almost the same FOV as your Ricoh. The lens is small enough to almost make the camera feel small too - and I think it's an underrated gem.

But each of us has different ways of seeing things, so what works for one photographer (me) may not necessarily be right for the next (you). And, hell, they are both great cameras....it would be hard to 'go wrong' with either. Good luck!

Hi MiguelATF

Thanks for your detailed post. Personally I think the XF35 would be a little bit to narrow for my personal taste. The XF18 mm seems like an option indeed. But I have to admit I'm a bit 'scarred' of getting a copy that isn't 'sharp'. I know it's not the most important thing in photography but some of the stories online make me shiver.

Renv3r · Jun 5, 2022

Dan Axelsson said:
I use the X-T3 myself, but bought the X-S10 for my daughter as a birthday gift. I must say I like the X-S10. It is really not much bigger than the X-E4/X100V/X-PRO3. The much better grip and IBIS in that small package is great.

Hi Dan

Thanks for the suggestion but the X-S10 is a bit to much like my Nikon Z50. I rather prefer the old school dials instead of the PSM. It was a bit of a hassle back in 2016 when i started shooting Fuji. But really loved the 'old school' experience.

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