Stop me from buying an M6 Mk ii before Canon stops the M line

$1100 for M6II vs $1500 for R7…
The M6ii has been $850 at most big outlets for a very long time.
certainly not twice as much, and much more longevity.
Completely different classes of cameras. With different appeal.
The only model that makes sense in the M lineup is the M50 for about $600 (because of price/ performance).
M50 has always been too stripped down for me. I prefer the up-specced M6ii by a large margin. Best to get one now.

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I was using Amazon prices on the day of that post.

As far as class, yes the R7 is much more capable, but they have a lot in common (sensor, approximate size, controls, etc.)

if the M6ii had an EVF I likely would have bought one. Great camera otherwise.
My M6ii has an EVF that I can stick on my M6i or even M3.

or even put it into my pocket
Yes and it’s fine for some people for sure. I need one built in, and don’t want to deal with the add-on (which also consumes the flash slot) 😁
 
$1100 for M6II vs $1500 for R7…
The M6ii has been $850 at most big outlets for a very long time.
certainly not twice as much, and much more longevity.
Completely different classes of cameras. With different appeal.
The only model that makes sense in the M lineup is the M50 for about $600 (because of price/ performance).
M50 has always been too stripped down for me. I prefer the up-specced M6ii by a large margin. Best to get one now.

R2
I was using Amazon prices on the day of that post.

As far as class, yes the R7 is much more capable,
on paper, but without the glass, a body alone can't take one photo
but they have a lot in common (sensor, approximate size, controls, etc.)

if the M6ii had an EVF I likely would have bought one. Great camera otherwise.
Granted, but it sure seems like Canon is showing us their future…
 
$1100 for M6II vs $1500 for R7…
The M6ii has been $850 at most big outlets for a very long time.
certainly not twice as much, and much more longevity.
Completely different classes of cameras. With different appeal.
The only model that makes sense in the M lineup is the M50 for about $600 (because of price/ performance).
M50 has always been too stripped down for me. I prefer the up-specced M6ii by a large margin. Best to get one now.

R2
I was using Amazon prices on the day of that post.
The M6ii (body only) has been on my Wish List at Amazon for a very long time (I like to keep an eye on the price). It's been stuck at $850 there for a couple of years. Hasn't budged a cent.
As far as class, yes the R7 is much more capable, but they have a lot in common (sensor, approximate size, controls, etc.)
I place the R7 sensor in an entirely different class due to the IBIS alone. The approximate size of the R7 is MUCH larger than the M6ii, with a waay beefier grip. Controls are waay different as well. They simply do not compare.
if the M6ii had an EVF I likely would have bought one. Great camera otherwise.
I much much prefer to use the back display for composing. I wish that all of my cameras had the M6ii's awesome tilting LCD. But of course that is indeed a preference, and everybody has theirs. :-)

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$1100 for M6II vs $1500 for R7…
The M6ii has been $850 at most big outlets for a very long time.
certainly not twice as much, and much more longevity.
Completely different classes of cameras. With different appeal.
The only model that makes sense in the M lineup is the M50 for about $600 (because of price/ performance).
M50 has always been too stripped down for me. I prefer the up-specced M6ii by a large margin. Best to get one now.

R2
I was using Amazon prices on the day of that post.
That's weird. It hasn't been over $850 since aug 29, 2019, it seems. 🙄. (that 3 camels site)
As far as class, yes the R7 is much more capable, but they have a lot in common (sensor, approximate size, controls, etc.)

if the M6ii had an EVF I likely would have bought one. Great camera otherwise.
There are 2 EVFs to choose from. EVF-DC1 and EVF-DC2.
I might have grabbed the camera with kit lens price, sorry about that!

Still, lots of people want a built-in EVF, to keep the flash slot open.

Imagine the sales of the M6ii if it had a built-in EVF (to replace/upgrade the M5 *and* the M6, not to mention the 90D).

I have and enjoy my M50, but it appears clear to me that the R10 and R7 are just the beginning of Canon’s APS-C future.
 
$1100 for M6II vs $1500 for R7…
The M6ii has been $850 at most big outlets for a very long time.
certainly not twice as much, and much more longevity.
Completely different classes of cameras. With different appeal.
The only model that makes sense in the M lineup is the M50 for about $600 (because of price/ performance).
M50 has always been too stripped down for me. I prefer the up-specced M6ii by a large margin. Best to get one now.

R2
I was using Amazon prices on the day of that post.

As far as class, yes the R7 is much more capable,
on paper, but without the glass, a body alone can't take one photo
but they have a lot in common (sensor, approximate size, controls, etc.)

if the M6ii had an EVF I likely would have bought one. Great camera otherwise.
Granted, but it sure seems like Canon is showing us their future…
agree

I've probably owned more APSC cameras from Canon than anybody

D30, 10D, 30D, 40D, 60D, 7D2, XT, SL1, T4i, T7i, M6II

here is a link on how I feel about R7 - if they make RF-s glass on par with EF-s glass - I'm out. If they give us M quality glass - I'll buy R7 because it would be the m5III I always wanted with m quality glass

Re: Also confirmed by the bottom side of the R7.: Canon EOS R Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)
 
$1100 for M6II vs $1500 for R7…
The M6ii has been $850 at most big outlets for a very long time.
certainly not twice as much, and much more longevity.
Completely different classes of cameras. With different appeal.
The only model that makes sense in the M lineup is the M50 for about $600 (because of price/ performance).
M50 has always been too stripped down for me. I prefer the up-specced M6ii by a large margin. Best to get one now.

R2
I was using Amazon prices on the day of that post.
That's weird. It hasn't been over $850 since aug 29, 2019, it seems. 🙄. (that 3 camels site)
As far as class, yes the R7 is much more capable, but they have a lot in common (sensor, approximate size, controls, etc.)

if the M6ii had an EVF I likely would have bought one. Great camera otherwise.
There are 2 EVFs to choose from. EVF-DC1 and EVF-DC2.
I might have grabbed the camera with kit lens price, sorry about that!
Ok. But that kit has an EVF included.
Still, lots of people want a built-in EVF, to keep the flash slot open.

Imagine the sales of the M6ii if it had a built-in EVF (to replace/upgrade the M5 *and* the M6, not to mention the 90D).
Yeah, I can imagine. They would have lost a lot of sales.
I have and enjoy my M50, but it appears clear to me that the R10 and R7 are just the beginning of Canon’s APS-C future.
I think they made a great mistake. Especially with the R10 (and the lenses).
 
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I think they made a great mistake. Especially with the R10 (and the lenses).
The 22mm I could not believe ! Wow, so small and f/2 ? No way !

Then that 32mm ! What in the world ! Another lens that broke all the rules !

And the 11-22mm ? Wow again !

All three M mount lenses ! :)
 
if they make RF-s glass on par with EF-s glass - I'm out.
I think you’re in luck, because it looks like they’re porting over the EF-M lenses (just with new RF bases).
If they give us M quality glass - I'll buy R7 because it would be the m5III I always wanted with m quality glass
Don’t know how many of those lenses they’ll give us though. Depends on how much they want to protect their higher end sales (we EF-M owners certainly know how Canon likes to maintain product line segmentation!! :-( ).

As far as bodies go, the R7 will definitely be more capable than the M6ii, but it’s also in an entirely different size class. I plan to “permanently” mount my RF 100mm Macro to it (it should be a perfect fit for that :-D ).

Best of luck with your own quest!

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I think they made a great mistake. Especially with the R10 (and the lenses).
The 22mm I could not believe ! Wow, so small and f/2 ? No way !

Then that 32mm ! What in the world ! Another lens that broke all the rules !

And the 11-22mm ? Wow again !

All three M mount lenses ! :)
Sony released 10-20mm F4 PZ which aim replace 11-22mm market (via Sony ZV-E10).
 
I think they made a great mistake. Especially with the R10 (and the lenses).
The 22mm I could not believe ! Wow, so small and f/2 ? No way !

Then that 32mm ! What in the world ! Another lens that broke all the rules !

And the 11-22mm ? Wow again !

All three M mount lenses ! :)
Sony released 10-20mm F4 PZ which aim replace 11-22mm market (via Sony ZV-E10).
And Weather-sealed too ? Looks like a nice lens.

I would complain about the price but maybe the same as 120 gals of gas or so.
 
if they make RF-s glass on par with EF-s glass - I'm out.
I think you’re in luck, because it looks like they’re porting over the EF-M lenses (just with new RF bases).
they look like they are cheapening the discontinued 55-250 stm to make it darker than f5.6

I'll believe an RF-s 32 when I see it
If they give us M quality glass - I'll buy R7 because it would be the m5III I always wanted with m quality glass
Don’t know how many of those lenses they’ll give us though. Depends on how much they want to protect their higher end sales (we EF-M owners certainly know how Canon likes to maintain product line segmentation!! :-( ).
I'll believe an RF-s 32 when I see it
As far as bodies go, the R7 will definitely be more capable than the M6ii, but it’s also in an entirely different size class. I plan to “permanently” mount my RF 100mm Macro to it (it should be a perfect fit for that :-D ).
my m32 is almost permanently mounted on my m6II

I'll be interested to see how your 100-500 performs on R7 - that is the setup I'd expect to pay dividends
Best of luck with your own quest!
I don't hold my breath - speed of AF is for sports and wildlife which would be nice, but I'm more about still life these days and don't want to spend the big bucks on tele L's
 
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if they make RF-s glass on par with EF-s glass - I'm out.
I think you’re in luck, because it looks like they’re porting over the EF-M lenses (just with new RF bases).
they look like they are cheapening the discontinued 55-250 stm to make it darker than f5.6

I'll believe an RF-s 32 when I see it
If they give us M quality glass - I'll buy R7 because it would be the m5III I always wanted with m quality glass
Don’t know how many of those lenses they’ll give us though. Depends on how much they want to protect their higher end sales (we EF-M owners certainly know how Canon likes to maintain product line segmentation!! :-( ).
I'll believe an RF-s 32 when I see it
We’ll have to see. Canon already has the very nice RF 35.
As far as bodies go, the R7 will definitely be more capable than the M6ii, but it’s also in an entirely different size class. I plan to “permanently” mount my RF 100mm Macro to it (it should be a perfect fit for that :-D ).
my m32 is almost permanently mounted on my m6II
Yep, the M6ii is my jack of all trades!
I'll be interested to see how your 100-500 performs on R7 - that is the setup I'd expect to pay dividends
I expect to try out the 100-500 on the R7 just to see how the combo does, but for my own shooting (for wildlife) the R5 is the much preferred body.

I’m pretty darn excited about 30 fps macros on the R7 though!
Best of luck with your own quest!
I don't hold my breath - speed of AF is for sports and wildlife which would be nice, but I'm more about still life these days and don't want to spend the big bucks on tele L's
Personally I don’t see you needing anything beyond the M6ii at this point then… unless you just gotta have that IBIS. :-D

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if they make RF-s glass on par with EF-s glass - I'm out.
I think you’re in luck, because it looks like they’re porting over the EF-M lenses (just with new RF bases).
they look like they are cheapening the discontinued 55-250 stm to make it darker than f5.6

I'll believe an RF-s 32 when I see it
If they give us M quality glass - I'll buy R7 because it would be the m5III I always wanted with m quality glass
Don’t know how many of those lenses they’ll give us though. Depends on how much they want to protect their higher end sales (we EF-M owners certainly know how Canon likes to maintain product line segmentation!! :-( ).
I'll believe an RF-s 32 when I see it
We’ll have to see. Canon already has the very nice RF 35.
As far as bodies go, the R7 will definitely be more capable than the M6ii, but it’s also in an entirely different size class. I plan to “permanently” mount my RF 100mm Macro to it (it should be a perfect fit for that :-D ).
my m32 is almost permanently mounted on my m6II
Yep, the M6ii is my jack of all trades!
I'll be interested to see how your 100-500 performs on R7 - that is the setup I'd expect to pay dividends
I expect to try out the 100-500 on the R7 just to see how the combo does, but for my own shooting (for wildlife) the R5 is the much preferred body.
keep an open mind on getting closer with the r7
I’m pretty darn excited about 30 fps macros on the R7 though!
Best of luck with your own quest!
I don't hold my breath - speed of AF is for sports and wildlife which would be nice, but I'm more about still life these days and don't want to spend the big bucks on tele L's
Personally I don’t see you needing anything beyond the M6ii at this point then… unless you just gotta have that IBIS. :-D
I wanted IBIS for the 56 f1.4 -- but we'll not get that one either
 
Personally I don’t see you needing anything beyond the M6ii at this point then… unless you just gotta have that IBIS. :-D

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Why the R7 for the 100 L ? What do you plan to shoot with that combo ?
 
if they make RF-s glass on par with EF-s glass - I'm out.
I think you’re in luck, because it looks like they’re porting over the EF-M lenses (just with new RF bases).
they look like they are cheapening the discontinued 55-250 stm to make it darker than f5.6

I'll believe an RF-s 32 when I see it
If they give us M quality glass - I'll buy R7 because it would be the m5III I always wanted with m quality glass
Don’t know how many of those lenses they’ll give us though. Depends on how much they want to protect their higher end sales (we EF-M owners certainly know how Canon likes to maintain product line segmentation!! :-( ).
I'll believe an RF-s 32 when I see it
We’ll have to see. Canon already has the very nice RF 35.
As far as bodies go, the R7 will definitely be more capable than the M6ii, but it’s also in an entirely different size class. I plan to “permanently” mount my RF 100mm Macro to it (it should be a perfect fit for that :-D ).
my m32 is almost permanently mounted on my m6II
Yep, the M6ii is my jack of all trades!
I'll be interested to see how your 100-500 performs on R7 - that is the setup I'd expect to pay dividends
I expect to try out the 100-500 on the R7 just to see how the combo does, but for my own shooting (for wildlife) the R5 is the much preferred body.
keep an open mind on getting closer with the r7
Too many limitations with the R7 (vs R5). I'll leave it at that so as not to get OT in this thread/forum. ;-)
I’m pretty darn excited about 30 fps macros on the R7 though!
Best of luck with your own quest!
I don't hold my breath - speed of AF is for sports and wildlife which would be nice, but I'm more about still life these days and don't want to spend the big bucks on tele L's
Personally I don’t see you needing anything beyond the M6ii at this point then… unless you just gotta have that IBIS. :-D
I wanted IBIS for the 56 f1.4 -- but we'll not get that one either
For what I shoot (with the R5 and R6), IMHO IBIS is one of those things that many folks wish to have, and then when they finally do get it, it turns out to Not be the cornucopia that they thought it would be.

I still prefer the benefits of good OIS or higher shutter speeds (with good technique) to increase my keeper rates (esp with the advent of DxO's PL5). I do admit I shoot a lot of people, events, sports, and birds however! So YMMV. :-)

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Personally I don’t see you needing anything beyond the M6ii at this point then… unless you just gotta have that IBIS.

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Why the R7 for the 100 L ? What do you plan to shoot with that combo ?
Bugs bugs and more bugs! :-D

15 fps with my MT-26EX-RT Macro Twin Flash, or 30 fps with my pair of Aputure Amaran F7 LED's...

(Shown on my M6ii). Highly recommend these lights for Focus Bracketing (or cherry-picking your focal plane).
(Shown on my M6ii). Highly recommend these lights for Focus Bracketing (or cherry-picking your focal plane).

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if they make RF-s glass on par with EF-s glass - I'm out.
I think you’re in luck, because it looks like they’re porting over the EF-M lenses (just with new RF bases).
they look like they are cheapening the discontinued 55-250 stm to make it darker than f5.6
f/5.6 at 250 mm is one of the better features
I'll believe an RF-s 32 when I see it
If they give us M quality glass - I'll buy R7 because it would be the m5III I always wanted with m quality glass
Don’t know how many of those lenses they’ll give us though. Depends on how much they want to protect their higher end sales (we EF-M owners certainly know how Canon likes to maintain product line segmentation!! :-( ).
I'll believe an RF-s 32 when I see it
As far as bodies go, the R7 will definitely be more capable than the M6ii, but it’s also in an entirely different size class. I plan to “permanently” mount my RF 100mm Macro to it (it should be a perfect fit for that :-D ).
my m32 is almost permanently mounted on my m6II

I'll be interested to see how your 100-500 performs on R7 - that is the setup I'd expect to pay dividends
Best of luck with your own quest!
I don't hold my breath - speed of AF is for sports and wildlife which would be nice, but I'm more about still life these days and don't want to spend the big bucks on tele L's
 
if they make RF-s glass on par with EF-s glass - I'm out.
I think you’re in luck, because it looks like they’re porting over the EF-M lenses (just with new RF bases).
they look like they are cheapening the discontinued 55-250 stm to make it darker than f5.6
f/5.6 at 250 mm is one of the better features
they'll not give you f5 on 154 mm on a 32.5 mpxl anymore for the $179 I paid - that is 246 fov f8 -- FF equivalent

55-63mm = f/4.0
64-99mm = f/4.5
100-154mm = f/5.0
155-250mm = f/5.6
I'll believe an RF-s 32 when I see it
If they give us M quality glass - I'll buy R7 because it would be the m5III I always wanted with m quality glass
Don’t know how many of those lenses they’ll give us though. Depends on how much they want to protect their higher end sales (we EF-M owners certainly know how Canon likes to maintain product line segmentation!! :-( ).
I'll believe an RF-s 32 when I see it
As far as bodies go, the R7 will definitely be more capable than the M6ii, but it’s also in an entirely different size class. I plan to “permanently” mount my RF 100mm Macro to it (it should be a perfect fit for that :-D ).
my m32 is almost permanently mounted on my m6II

I'll be interested to see how your 100-500 performs on R7 - that is the setup I'd expect to pay dividends
Best of luck with your own quest!
I don't hold my breath - speed of AF is for sports and wildlife which would be nice, but I'm more about still life these days and don't want to spend the big bucks on tele L's
 
if they make RF-s glass on par with EF-s glass - I'm out.
I think you’re in luck, because it looks like they’re porting over the EF-M lenses (just with new RF bases).
they look like they are cheapening the discontinued 55-250 stm to make it darker than f5.6

I'll believe an RF-s 32 when I see it
If they give us M quality glass - I'll buy R7 because it would be the m5III I always wanted with m quality glass
Don’t know how many of those lenses they’ll give us though. Depends on how much they want to protect their higher end sales (we EF-M owners certainly know how Canon likes to maintain product line segmentation!! :-( ).
I'll believe an RF-s 32 when I see it
We’ll have to see. Canon already has the very nice RF 35.
As far as bodies go, the R7 will definitely be more capable than the M6ii, but it’s also in an entirely different size class. I plan to “permanently” mount my RF 100mm Macro to it (it should be a perfect fit for that :-D ).
my m32 is almost permanently mounted on my m6II
Yep, the M6ii is my jack of all trades!
I'll be interested to see how your 100-500 performs on R7 - that is the setup I'd expect to pay dividends
I expect to try out the 100-500 on the R7 just to see how the combo does, but for my own shooting (for wildlife) the R5 is the much preferred body.
keep an open mind on getting closer with the r7
Too many limitations with the R7 (vs R5). I'll leave it at that so as not to get OT in this thread/forum. ;-)
an R3 focus system and more pixels on the subject and good fps sounds like it is worth remaining open
I’m pretty darn excited about 30 fps macros on the R7 though!
Best of luck with your own quest!
I don't hold my breath - speed of AF is for sports and wildlife which would be nice, but I'm more about still life these days and don't want to spend the big bucks on tele L's
Personally I don’t see you needing anything beyond the M6ii at this point then… unless you just gotta have that IBIS. :-D
I wanted IBIS for the 56 f1.4 -- but we'll not get that one either
For what I shoot (with the R5 and R6), IMHO IBIS is one of those things that many folks wish to have, and then when they finally do get it, it turns out to Not be the cornucopia that they thought it would be.

I still prefer the benefits of good OIS or higher shutter speeds (with good technique) to increase my keeper rates (esp with the advent of DxO's PL5). I do admit I shoot a lot of people, events, sports, and birds however! So YMMV. :-)
I understand what you are saying, but the lack of IBIS prevented me from buying that 56 f1.4 because over the years I need to drag my shutter down to ss 1/60 and 1/80

so the RF 85 F2 was the logical lens for me
 
If the #! camera company in the world makes mistakes, they have not made any I can point to.

No mistake in changing from film to digital or with the Rebels, 20D - 80D, FF DSLRs', M system and R's. All sold well and some are still selling well (M50).

I think they have the best marketing department of any camera brand.
 

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