Mirrorless Cameras / Horseless Carriages / Propless Airplanes

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It seems kind of silly to refer to things by contents they don't have. Isn't it about time we stop saying mirrorless cameras and just said cameras? Like we talk about cars instead of horseless carriages. Or jets instead of propless airplanes.
 
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We adopt that kind of "-less" terminology when referring to things that have been designed to no longer require a previously necessary component. Think of wireless headphones, cordless drills, brushless motors, etc.

Mirrorless cameras were of course developed to allow an interchangeable lens camera with through-the-lens viewing without the need for a mirror. Other camera designs - such as fixed lens compacts, rangefinders, phones - do not have mirrors but are not mirrorless.

While I think most people just refer to their camera, there are times where we want to differentiate between the camera types. Just referring to a 'camera' may not be helpful when you really need to know whether you are talking about a Nikon Z7 or a Nikon D850.
 
It seems kind of silly to refer to things by contents they don't have. Isn't it about time we stop saying mirrorless cameras and just said cameras? Like we talk about cars instead of horseless carriages. Or jets instead of propless airplanes.
Most people say automobiles and not cars and when were jets ever called propless aeroplanes? Never as far as I'm aware. I anycase, I suspect most people already just refer to their camera and only use mirrorless when needing to distinguish their camera from other types. Or maybe we should say cameras and DSLRs?
 
It seems kind of silly to refer to things by contents they don't have. Isn't it about time we stop saying mirrorless cameras and just said cameras? Like we talk about cars instead of horseless carriages. Or jets instead of propless airplanes.
Give it another twenty years and mirrorless cameras will dominate to such an extent that people will have stopped saying mirrorless.

- just my crystal ball gazing!
 
I think the comparison to " horseless carriages" is apt: this is the type of phrase one associates with periods of transition in a technology. Mirrored cameras aren't going to disappear, any more than horse drawn carriages disappeared. What changes is the type of technology assumed to be the default.

" Mirrorless" may stick long term or it may evolve. If camera use was more universal, I would guess it would change, but odd, old fashioned terms often survive in technical jargon. The more obscure the jargon, the truer that is.
 
Because simply calling them ILC’s doesn’t distinguish them from DSLR’s, since DSLR’s are also ILC’s.



Someone will have to invent a new word that adequately describes the distinction. Rangefinder and SLR worked. Not sure what else to call a mirrorless.
 
I think the comparison to " horseless carriages" is apt: this is the type of phrase one associates with periods of transition in a technology. Mirrored cameras aren't going to disappear, any more than horse drawn carriages disappeared. What changes is the type of technology assumed to be the default.

" Mirrorless" may stick long term or it may evolve. If camera use was more universal, I would guess it would change, but odd, old fashioned terms often survive in technical jargon. The more obscure the jargon, the truer that is.
The very word "camera" has evolved from the latin word for room or chamber, from the original term "camera obscura", meaning dark chamber
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Because simply calling them ILC’s doesn’t distinguish them from DSLR’s, since DSLR’s are also ILC’s.

Someone will have to invent a new word that adequately describes the distinction. Rangefinder and SLR worked. Not sure what else to call a mirrorless.
MILC
 
Most people say automobiles and not cars…
I’ve no doubts that’s regional. In the US (at least in my region), people will say car, truck, suv, or van before they say, “automobile” Too many syllables. Who’s got the time?



Incidentally, “car” also evolved from the Latin for, “wheeled vehicle” (carrus or carrum)
 
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Because simply calling them ILC’s doesn’t distinguish them from DSLR’s, since DSLR’s are also ILC’s.

Someone will have to invent a new word that adequately describes the distinction. Rangefinder and SLR worked. Not sure what else to call a mirrorless.
The solution was proposed many years ago

EVIL:

Electronic

Viewfinder

Interchangeable

Lens
 
I think the comparison to " horseless carriages" is apt: this is the type of phrase one associates with periods of transition in a technology. Mirrored cameras aren't going to disappear, any more than horse drawn carriages disappeared. What changes is the type of technology assumed to be the default.
Yes, that sounds good.

I'm just not so sure about this 'Mirrored cameras aren't going to disappear'. Still around, like old analog fim cameras, yes, but I don't think we will see any new models (or at least not any significant numbers of new models) with this old mirror technology.

Liewenberger

10:54 GMT
 
I think the comparison to " horseless carriages" is apt: this is the type of phrase one associates with periods of transition in a technology. Mirrored cameras aren't going to disappear, any more than horse drawn carriages disappeared. What changes is the type of technology assumed to be the default.

" Mirrorless" may stick long term or it may evolve. If camera use was more universal, I would guess it would change, but odd, old fashioned terms often survive in technical jargon. The more obscure the jargon, the truer that is.
The very word "camera" has evolved from the latin word for room or chamber, from the original term "camera obscura", meaning dark chamber
Reminds me of my first (and best) photo book, Heinz Temmler: 'Der grosse Photohelfer', 1954:

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Liewenberger

11:40 GMT
 
Most people say automobiles and not cars…
I’ve no doubts that’s regional. In the US (at least in my region), people will say car, truck, suv, or van before they say, “automobile” Too many syllables. Who’s got the time?

Incidentally, “car” also evolved from the Latin for, “wheeled vehicle” (carrus or carrum)
In the UK, hardly anyone says "automobile". Phil gives his location as Wales, so I think he should know that! I don't think the Welsh use that word any more than the English do.
 
Most people say automobiles and not cars…
I’ve no doubts that’s regional. In the US (at least in my region), people will say car, truck, suv, or van before they say, “automobile” Too many syllables. Who’s got the time?

Incidentally, “car” also evolved from the Latin for, “wheeled vehicle” (carrus or carrum)
In the UK, hardly anyone says "automobile". Phil gives his location as Wales, so I think he should know that! I don't think the Welsh use that word any more than the English do.
Perhaps it’s social circles vs regions.

“Have my driver prepare the automobile.”


“Which one, sir?”

“Which driver, or which automobile?”

“They are paired together, are they not?”

“Quite right.”
 
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Also remember cameras and digital cameras..... are now film cameras and cameras.

It will be cameras and DSLR's soon
 
Because simply calling them ILC’s doesn’t distinguish them from DSLR’s, since DSLR’s are also ILC’s.

Someone will have to invent a new word that adequately describes the distinction. Rangefinder and SLR worked. Not sure what else to call a mirrorless.
MILC
Still keeps mirrorless in the acronym, which is what the OP was proposing to move away from.
 
I think the comparison to " horseless carriages" is apt: this is the type of phrase one associates with periods of transition in a technology. Mirrored cameras aren't going to disappear, any more than horse drawn carriages disappeared. What changes is the type of technology assumed to be the default.
Yes, that sounds good.

I'm just not so sure about this 'Mirrored cameras aren't going to disappear'. Still around, like old analog fim cameras, yes, but I don't think we will see any new models (or at least not any significant numbers of new models) with this old mirror technology.
Yes but Single Lens Refleax cameras were still called as such, years after Twin Lens Reflex cameras had ceased production. And for that matter, DSLR is still being used years after SLRs ceased production.
Liewenberger

10:54 GMT
 
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Very true. It's an obscure term surviving in jargon itself.
 

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