I want to upgrade my 4K monitor

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I question the value of mini-LED in general, given its high prices so far.

As I understand it each zone consists of thousands of pixels all controlled together, not separately. Worth it? Not to me, but that's not my decision, that's the OP's.
What if we will take money out of equation?
Then perhaps a truly professional monitor from one of Nick's links.
Sorry, I was not clear. I meant this monitor and take money out of equation. BTW I have ASUS ProArt PA279Q 2560 x 1440 wide gamut for quite a few years and it goes strong. I calibrate it with SpydeXElite and check calibration every month. No drift at all. Interesting that ASUS claims that PA27UCX has delta E<1.
 
I question the value of mini-LED in general, given its high prices so far.

As I understand it each zone consists of thousands of pixels all controlled together, not separately. Worth it? Not to me, but that's not my decision, that's the OP's.
What if we will take money out of equation?
Then perhaps a truly professional monitor from one of Nick's links.
Sorry, I was not clear. I meant this monitor and take money out of equation. BTW I have ASUS ProArt PA279Q 2560 x 1440 wide gamut for quite a few years and it goes strong. I calibrate it with SpydeXElite and check calibration every month. No drift at all. Interesting that ASUS claims that PA27UCX has delta E<1.
Asus makes all sort of claims and not all of them are always true - at least some of them are just be misleading. I've learned that Asus pushes quite aggressive marketing claiming 'industry leading' performance, professionalism and such. But in fact Asus monitors are very much consumer versions of professional products and they tend appeal to crowd that someone might categorize as 'computer nerds'. Professionals are not 'better', 'discerning' or anything, but when it comes to real professional environments, the Asus just doesn't cut it. That's why it's manufacturers like Eizo who bring their tools to movie productions and such. They can guarantee quality control and same performance over tens or hundreds of monitors. Can one be fully satisfied with Asus? Absolutely and without any hesitations (tools doesn't make one a better or worse human)! It just itches me to see Asus marketing claims... So, no wrong going Asus 4K monitor if you want to. For quality reviews see, for example, prad.de (if you are using Chrome you can translate the reviews easily on the fly)
 
I question the value of mini-LED in general, given its high prices so far.

As I understand it each zone consists of thousands of pixels all controlled together, not separately. Worth it? Not to me, but that's not my decision, that's the OP's.
What if we will take money out of equation?
Then perhaps a truly professional monitor from one of Nick's links.
Sorry, I was not clear. I meant this monitor and take money out of equation. BTW I have ASUS ProArt PA279Q 2560 x 1440 wide gamut for quite a few years and it goes strong. I calibrate it with SpydeXElite and check calibration every month. No drift at all. Interesting that ASUS claims that PA27UCX has delta E<1.
Asus makes all sort of claims and not all of them are always true - at least some of them are just be misleading. I've learned that Asus pushes quite aggressive marketing claiming 'industry leading' performance, professionalism and such. But in fact Asus monitors are very much consumer versions of professional products and they tend appeal to crowd that someone might categorize as 'computer nerds'. Professionals are not 'better', 'discerning' or anything, but when it comes to real professional environments, the Asus just doesn't cut it. That's why it's manufacturers like Eizo who bring their tools to movie productions and such. They can guarantee quality control and same performance over tens or hundreds of monitors. Can one be fully satisfied with Asus? Absolutely and without any hesitations (tools doesn't make one a better or worse human)! It just itches me to see Asus marketing claims... So, no wrong going Asus 4K monitor if you want to. For quality reviews see, for example, prad.de (if you are using Chrome you can translate the reviews easily on the fly)
I've looked at Eizo wide gamut monitors, but they are not available anywhere.
 
I question the value of mini-LED in general, given its high prices so far.

As I understand it each zone consists of thousands of pixels all controlled together, not separately. Worth it? Not to me, but that's not my decision, that's the OP's.
What if we will take money out of equation?
Then perhaps a truly professional monitor from one of Nick's links.
Sorry, I was not clear. I meant this monitor and take money out of equation.
One other thing to consider; do you really want different areas (zones) of the monitor to have a brightness that varies depending on each area's content?

Seems to me mini-LED would be fine for video, where things are constantly changing anyway, but do we want that variation on a still image?

(Anyone; if I have a mistaken concept of mini-LED's function, please correct me.)
BTW I have ASUS ProArt PA279Q 2560 x 1440 wide gamut for quite a few years and it goes strong.
I have no problem whatever with Asus products; I've had a number of their motherboards and computers; if I saw a monitor of theirs I found particularly desirable, I'd buy it. Some are very nice.
I calibrate it with SpydeXElite and check calibration every month. No drift at all. Interesting that ASUS claims that PA27UCX has delta E<1.
My $500 32" 4K monitor has a measured maximum deltaE of 1.67, average of 0.08 according to DisplayCAL. I can live with that.
 
I question the value of mini-LED in general, given its high prices so far.

As I understand it each zone consists of thousands of pixels all controlled together, not separately. Worth it? Not to me, but that's not my decision, that's the OP's.
What if we will take money out of equation?
Then perhaps a truly professional monitor from one of Nick's links.
Sorry, I was not clear. I meant this monitor and take money out of equation.
One other thing to consider; do you really want different areas (zones) of the monitor to have a brightness that varies depending on each area's content?
You can disable dynamic dimming. You can also enable or disable HDR.
Seems to me mini-LED would be fine for video, where things are constantly changing anyway, but do we want that variation on a still image?

(Anyone; if I have a mistaken concept of mini-LED's function, please correct me.)
BTW I have ASUS ProArt PA279Q 2560 x 1440 wide gamut for quite a few years and it goes strong.
I have no problem whatever with Asus products; I've had a number of their motherboards and computers; if I saw a monitor of theirs I found particularly desirable, I'd buy it. Some are very nice.
I calibrate it with SpydeXElite and check calibration every month. No drift at all. Interesting that ASUS claims that PA27UCX has delta E<1.
My $500 32" 4K monitor has a measured maximum deltaE of 1.67, average of 0.08 according to DisplayCAL. I can live with that.
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This thread has me looking at the LG 32UN650 mentioned earlier. Unfortunately I have a list of more important things at the moment.

The Asus that's always mentioned to be reasonable value is the ProArt Display PA32UC-K . Which I don't see on the B&H website. Locally it's about 2/3s of the price of the monitor posted to start the thread. Including stuff you might not need.


The problem is you're either in the budget reasonable quality consumer end. Call it under $1K. Or you're much higher and wondering if spending a bit more might be worth it.

There are only two companies I think making panels. That means you're really paying for the other stuff. QC being a big chunk.
 
...The monitor is still available new, but it's an old design. (2019. Ancient in PC terms, apparently.)
I better not mention my 24" Samsung monitor, then. It harks from 2008...
I had a Samsung amber monochrome composite video monitor in the middle 1980's at work.

Naturally, I had to label the computer it went with "Delilah".
 
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...The monitor is still available new, but it's an old design. (2019. Ancient in PC terms, apparently.)
I better not mention my 24" Samsung monitor, then. It harks from 2008...
I had a Samsung amber monochrome composite video monitor in the middle 1980's at work.

Naturally, I had to label the computer it went with "Delilah".
Had a lot of hairy experiences with it? ;-)
:-D And took a haircut when I sold it.
 
As someone who works in commercial advertising, having an insane monitor like that has a limited ROI.

You might have the most color accurate display on the planet, but nobody else does.

The Art Buyers who are hiring are seeing it on iPhones, iMacs, and smudged up Macbook Pro's with "true tone" still turned on.

Let alone the wasteland of unstandardized garbage that is most Windows computers.
 
Speaking as someone who doesn't play at that level, it seems rather dear for a 27" 60Hz display. I see that it's specified at a peak brightness of 1000 nits, which may be what you're paying for.

I might consider a cheapo like an Eizo, if your primary purpose is photo editing. ;-)
Or maybe, since a mini-LED monitor is what you want, spend a little more for a larger monitor with many more zones and a higher static contrast ratio, though giving up a bit of Adobe RGB coverage:

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/sho...21q/apd/210-ayci/monitors-monitor-accessories
Very interesting, thanks for mentioning it.

I note that on the B&H website, where unlike Dell they specify Watts power consumption,
  • Dell UP3221Q - 13 W (Typical) 0.5 W (Standby) - $3900
  • LG 32YK500 - 50 W (Typical) 0.5 W (Standby) - $297
They are not entirely comparable because the UP3221Q has 100% DCI-P3 and self calibration.

However I'm impressed by low power consumption of mini LED. As you might've expected.
 
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Speaking as someone who doesn't play at that level, it seems rather dear for a 27" 60Hz display. I see that it's specified at a peak brightness of 1000 nits, which may be what you're paying for.

I might consider a cheapo like an Eizo, if your primary purpose is photo editing. ;-)
Or maybe, since a mini-LED monitor is what you want, spend a little more for a larger monitor with many more zones and a higher static contrast ratio, though giving up a bit of Adobe RGB coverage:

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/sho...21q/apd/210-ayci/monitors-monitor-accessories
Very interesting, thanks for mentioning it.

I note that on the B&H website, where unlike Dell they specify Watts power consumption,
  • Dell UP3221Q - 13 W (Typical) 0.5 W (Standby) - $3900
  • LG 32YK500 - 50 W (Typical) 0.5 W (Standby) - $297
They are not entirely comparable because the UP3221Q has 100% DCI-P3 and self calibration.

However I'm impressed by low power consumption of mini LED. As you might've expected.
I suspect that the LG's "typical" power consumption is at default brightness level, i.e., near eyeball-scorching in my dim computer room, and the Dell's "operational" would depend on what image is displayed.

Switching off my 32UN650-W changes the UPS' display from 146 W to 125 W, so my typical is a lot less than the 45 W "typical" in the specs.

And my financial breakeven point for the Dell would probably extend beyond my lifetime. :-)
 
So I bit a bullet and got this monitor. Right of the box, using Adobe RGB preset it displayed gorgeous colors in LR classic. I reduced brightness to 25% which will give me approx. 120 cd/m2. It comes with X-rite i1Display Pro and ASUS's own calibration software. All calibration data stays in monitor's internal LUT. Tonight I will try to calibrate it and see where it will take me.
 
So I bit a bullet and got this monitor. Right of the box, using Adobe RGB preset it displayed gorgeous colors in LR classic. I reduced brightness to 25% which will give me approx. 120 cd/m2. It comes with X-rite i1Display Pro and ASUS's own calibration software. All calibration data stays in monitor's internal LUT. Tonight I will try to calibrate it and see where it will take me.
Just to be clear, are you referring to the PA27UCX-K?

If it's like my PA329c, you have two choices for calibration: you can save two custom LUTs, or you can run a calibration using the presets and create a custom icm file, just like with an inexpensive monitor.

I don't know which approach is superior. Seems like the LUT one should be, but...
 
So I bit a bullet and got this monitor. Right of the box, using Adobe RGB preset it displayed gorgeous colors in LR classic. I reduced brightness to 25% which will give me approx. 120 cd/m2. It comes with X-rite i1Display Pro and ASUS's own calibration software. All calibration data stays in monitor's internal LUT. Tonight I will try to calibrate it and see where it will take me.
Just to be clear, are you referring to the PA27UCX-K?

If it's like my PA329c, you have two choices for calibration: you can save two custom LUTs, or you can run a calibration using the presets and create a custom icm file, just like with an inexpensive monitor.

I don't know which approach is superior. Seems like the LUT one should be, but...
Yes, it is PA27UCX-K. When you save in the internal LUT, monitor becomes independent from the computer and will keep settings if connected to another computer. Does your monitor have a driver? Mine does not and shows up in the devise manager as a generick monitor.
 
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Yes, it is PA27UCX-K. When you save in the internal LUT, monitor becomes independent from the computer and will keep settings if connected to another computer. Does your monitor have a driver? Mine does not and shows up in the devise manager as a generick monitor.
Yes, I know. The monitor has only been used on one PC so far, so that aspect (having the LUT stored in the monitor, and moving with it) isn't of great value to me.

My monitor has a "driver". There's one available for yours: https://www.asus.com/us/Displays-De...Download/?model2Name=ProArt-Display-PA27UCX-K

(It's the same driver for all recent versions of Windows. Not listed for Windows 11, but should be OK for that, too.)
 

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