New IRS laws (US) can affect those selling gear...

you don’t owe any new tax.
That's only true if you have a receipt, or some other way to prove the purchase price.
No that’s not true now, nor has it ever been, for selling your own personal use property. If I sell a camera lens online that I bought four years ago I don’t have to provide any receipt showing what I bought it for even in an audit. Estimated purchase prices are perfectly acceptable. You don’t even attach any documentation for this with your tax form in the first place. If all your transactions were selling personal use property just enter what got reported on the 1099-k for income and an offsetting amount for expenses.

If, however, you are actually running a business reselling things and you are calculating a profit or loss on your sales then yes you’d be wise to have documentation of what you purchased the items for because in that case if subject to an audit they will want to see justification for your profit and loss.
 
It is something that got slipped into the last stimulus bill, and it starts now.
One wrinkle is that it actually started a few years ago for a number of states where some states levied a lower threshold for 1099-k reporting requirement. So a number of folks have been dealing with this already. It was very confusing when only people in certain states started getting 1099-Ks they’d never seen before!

But yes, it is now the federal threshold has been lowered so more people are going to see it. For clarity it starts for 2022 which means most folks won’t see 1099-Ks for filing their 2021 taxes this season.

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It's just more government control of its citizens. However, I'm sure whatever additional monies they pull in with this new scheme will be managed wisely and go to a good cause.

PayPal has already sent me six emails that I Must Comply. And I haven't even bought or sold anything in 2022.

1984
I just got my compliance request email from PayPal today. I use the service as a secondary security layer, otherwise I sell on eBay once in a blue moon. I don't need their service if they force compliance. There are alternate methods of selling. Curious to see if PayPal mandates this compliance.
 
It's just more government control of its citizens. However, I'm sure whatever additional monies they pull in with this new scheme will be managed wisely and go to a good cause.

PayPal has already sent me six emails that I Must Comply. And I haven't even bought or sold anything in 2022.

1984
I just got my compliance request email from PayPal today. I use the service as a secondary security layer, otherwise I sell on eBay once in a blue moon. I don't need their service if they force compliance. There are alternate methods of selling. Curious to see if PayPal mandates this compliance.
I actually got a 7th demand yesterday from PayPal. I replied to the email, You've sent me 7 demands already; how many do you intend to send me.

No reply.

I have not bought or sold anything, over or under $600 in 2022. Why must I be in compliance for something that didn't or may not even happen?
 
It's just more government control of its citizens. However, I'm sure whatever additional monies they pull in with this new scheme will be managed wisely and go to a good cause.

PayPal has already sent me six emails that I Must Comply. And I haven't even bought or sold anything in 2022.

1984
I just got my compliance request email from PayPal today. I use the service as a secondary security layer, otherwise I sell on eBay once in a blue moon. I don't need their service if they force compliance. There are alternate methods of selling. Curious to see if PayPal mandates this compliance.
I actually got a 7th demand yesterday from PayPal. I replied to the email, You've sent me 7 demands already; how many do you intend to send me.

No reply.

I have not bought or sold anything, over or under $600 in 2022. Why must I be in compliance for something that didn't or may not even happen?
Out of curiosity what is it that their letter is asking for? A current address? SSN/Tax ID? What do you need to do in order to "comply"?
 
It's just more government control of its citizens. However, I'm sure whatever additional monies they pull in with this new scheme will be managed wisely and go to a good cause.

PayPal has already sent me six emails that I Must Comply. And I haven't even bought or sold anything in 2022.

1984
I just got my compliance request email from PayPal today. I use the service as a secondary security layer, otherwise I sell on eBay once in a blue moon. I don't need their service if they force compliance. There are alternate methods of selling. Curious to see if PayPal mandates this compliance.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding you position. But it seems that you are unhappy that you will no longer be able to avoid required taxes when selling items.

If you believe that the you shouldn't be paying these taxes, then your complaint should be about the tax laws, not that the laws are being enforced.
 
It's just more government control of its citizens. However, I'm sure whatever additional monies they pull in with this new scheme will be managed wisely and go to a good cause.

PayPal has already sent me six emails that I Must Comply. And I haven't even bought or sold anything in 2022.

1984
I just got my compliance request email from PayPal today. I use the service as a secondary security layer, otherwise I sell on eBay once in a blue moon. I don't need their service if they force compliance. There are alternate methods of selling. Curious to see if PayPal mandates this compliance.
I actually got a 7th demand yesterday from PayPal. I replied to the email, You've sent me 7 demands already; how many do you intend to send me.

No reply.

I have not bought or sold anything, over or under $600 in 2022. Why must I be in compliance for something that didn't or may not even happen?
Out of curiosity what is it that their letter is asking for? A current address? SSN/Tax ID? What do you need to do in order to "comply"?
Avoid account disruption and meet the new IRS requirement

The IRS will soon require anyone receiving $600 in payments for goods and services to confirm their taxpayer status. As someone who's received payments through PayPal, you'll need to confirm your taxpayer status by providing your Tax ID Number to meet the requirement and avoid any disruption to your account.
 
It's just more government control of its citizens. However, I'm sure whatever additional monies they pull in with this new scheme will be managed wisely and go to a good cause.

PayPal has already sent me six emails that I Must Comply. And I haven't even bought or sold anything in 2022.

1984
I just got my compliance request email from PayPal today. I use the service as a secondary security layer, otherwise I sell on eBay once in a blue moon. I don't need their service if they force compliance. There are alternate methods of selling. Curious to see if PayPal mandates this compliance.
I actually got a 7th demand yesterday from PayPal. I replied to the email, You've sent me 7 demands already; how many do you intend to send me.

No reply.

I have not bought or sold anything, over or under $600 in 2022. Why must I be in compliance for something that didn't or may not even happen?
Out of curiosity what is it that their letter is asking for? A current address? SSN/Tax ID? What do you need to do in order to "comply"?
Avoid account disruption and meet the new IRS requirement

The IRS will soon require anyone receiving $600 in payments for goods and services to confirm their taxpayer status. As someone who's received payments through PayPal, you'll need to confirm your taxpayer status by providing your Tax ID Number to meet the requirement and avoid any disruption to your account.
The IRS has required this for quite some time. As a general rule, if someone pays you more than $600 in a calendar year, they must report this to the IRS.

But, the fact that you received money, does not mean that you need to pay tax on the entire amount. Generally, you are only taxed on your profit. Buy a camera for $1,000, and later sell it for $600, and that $600 may not be taxable as you lost $400 on the transaction.

Now if you buy a camera for $600, and sell it for $1,000, then the $400 profit may very well be taxable income.
 
It's just more government control of its citizens. However, I'm sure whatever additional monies they pull in with this new scheme will be managed wisely and go to a good cause.

PayPal has already sent me six emails that I Must Comply. And I haven't even bought or sold anything in 2022.

1984
I just got my compliance request email from PayPal today. I use the service as a secondary security layer, otherwise I sell on eBay once in a blue moon. I don't need their service if they force compliance. There are alternate methods of selling. Curious to see if PayPal mandates this compliance.
I actually got a 7th demand yesterday from PayPal. I replied to the email, You've sent me 7 demands already; how many do you intend to send me.

No reply.

I have not bought or sold anything, over or under $600 in 2022. Why must I be in compliance for something that didn't or may not even happen?
Out of curiosity what is it that their letter is asking for? A current address? SSN/Tax ID? What do you need to do in order to "comply"?
Avoid account disruption and meet the new IRS requirement

The IRS will soon require anyone receiving $600 in payments for goods and services to confirm their taxpayer status. As someone who's received payments through PayPal, you'll need to confirm your taxpayer status by providing your Tax ID Number to meet the requirement and avoid any disruption to your account.
Ah, got it. Yes, all the payment providers are doing that. Basically it just means you won't be able to accept certain kinds of payments to your account unless you provide them with the taxpayer information so they can meet their reporting requirement to the IRS. You can just ignore their emails and they'll restrict your account so you don't receive payments that would require a 1099-K to be generated.

So you don't "have" to be in compliance at all. But they are giving you a heads up that if you want to accept certain kinds of payments in 2022 with your pay-pal account you need to give them your taxpayer info in advance.

A bit annoying that they've reminded you seven times now ;)

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Ken W
See profile for equipment list
 
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It's just more government control of its citizens. However, I'm sure whatever additional monies they pull in with this new scheme will be managed wisely and go to a good cause.

PayPal has already sent me six emails that I Must Comply. And I haven't even bought or sold anything in 2022.

1984
I just got my compliance request email from PayPal today. I use the service as a secondary security layer, otherwise I sell on eBay once in a blue moon. I don't need their service if they force compliance. There are alternate methods of selling. Curious to see if PayPal mandates this compliance.
I actually got a 7th demand yesterday from PayPal. I replied to the email, You've sent me 7 demands already; how many do you intend to send me.

No reply.

I have not bought or sold anything, over or under $600 in 2022. Why must I be in compliance for something that didn't or may not even happen?
Out of curiosity what is it that their letter is asking for? A current address? SSN/Tax ID? What do you need to do in order to "comply"?
Avoid account disruption and meet the new IRS requirement

The IRS will soon require anyone receiving $600 in payments for goods and services to confirm their taxpayer status. As someone who's received payments through PayPal, you'll need to confirm your taxpayer status by providing your Tax ID Number to meet the requirement and avoid any disruption to your account.
The IRS has required this for quite some time. As a general rule, if someone pays you more than $600 in a calendar year, they must report this to the IRS.

But, the fact that you received money, does not mean that you need to pay tax on the entire amount. Generally, you are only taxed on your profit. Buy a camera for $1,000, and later sell it for $600, and that $600 may not be taxable as you lost $400 on the transaction.

Now if you buy a camera for $600, and sell it for $1,000, then the $400 profit may very well be taxable income.
I mean no disrespect but they have not required this for some time. It just started on Jan. 1st, two weeks ago. I think the old requirement used to be $20,000. Is $20,000 the same as $600?

So now Americans need to Prove that it was a lose and not a profit. What's next?
 
The IRS has required this for quite some time. As a general rule, if someone pays you more than $600 in a calendar year, they must report this to the IRS.

But, the fact that you received money, does not mean that you need to pay tax on the entire amount. Generally, you are only taxed on your profit. Buy a camera for $1,000, and later sell it for $600, and that $600 may not be taxable as you lost $400 on the transaction.

Now if you buy a camera for $600, and sell it for $1,000, then the $400 profit may very well be taxable income.
I mean no disrespect but they have not required this for some time. It just started on Jan. 1st, two weeks ago. I think the old requirement used to be $20,000. Is $20,000 the same as $600?

So now Americans need to Prove that it was a lose and not a profit. What's next?
It depends on the type of payment. If my company hired you as an outside contractor to take photos, and we paid you more than $600 in a year, we are required to report this to you and the IRS with a 1099-MISC form. Reporting smaller amounts has been optional.

Form 1099-K is the form for reporting various types of credit cards payments. You are correct that for 2020 the threshold is now $600 and matches the threshold for other types of payments. In prior years, the threshold was 200 transactions or $20K.

But again, this change does not alter the tax you owe. All it does it make it more difficult to cheat on your taxes.

The IRS understands that the fact that you received $1,000, does not mean you need to pay taxes on the full $1,000. That $1,000 is counted as gross income, and you are generally taxed on profits.

Again, if you think you shouldn't be paying taxes on profit you make selling on eBay, then you should complain about the tax laws, not that the IRS wants to enforce those laws. When laws are wrong, we should change them, not ignore them.
 
It's just more government control of its citizens. However, I'm sure whatever additional monies they pull in with this new scheme will be managed wisely and go to a good cause.

PayPal has already sent me six emails that I Must Comply. And I haven't even bought or sold anything in 2022.

1984
I just got my compliance request email from PayPal today. I use the service as a secondary security layer, otherwise I sell on eBay once in a blue moon. I don't need their service if they force compliance. There are alternate methods of selling. Curious to see if PayPal mandates this compliance.
I actually got a 7th demand yesterday from PayPal. I replied to the email, You've sent me 7 demands already; how many do you intend to send me.

No reply.

I have not bought or sold anything, over or under $600 in 2022. Why must I be in compliance for something that didn't or may not even happen?
Out of curiosity what is it that their letter is asking for? A current address? SSN/Tax ID? What do you need to do in order to "comply"?
Avoid account disruption and meet the new IRS requirement

The IRS will soon require anyone receiving $600 in payments for goods and services to confirm their taxpayer status. As someone who's received payments through PayPal, you'll need to confirm your taxpayer status by providing your Tax ID Number to meet the requirement and avoid any disruption to your account.
The IRS has required this for quite some time. As a general rule, if someone pays you more than $600 in a calendar year, they must report this to the IRS.

But, the fact that you received money, does not mean that you need to pay tax on the entire amount. Generally, you are only taxed on your profit. Buy a camera for $1,000, and later sell it for $600, and that $600 may not be taxable as you lost $400 on the transaction.

Now if you buy a camera for $600, and sell it for $1,000, then the $400 profit may very well be taxable income.
If you have to report the profit, you should be able to deduct the loss, no?

Time to buy more cameras!
 
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If you are running a business, then a loss is generally deductible. If it's just a hobby, then losses are not generally deductible.

The IRS has some guidelines for determining whether or not something is a business. The IRS is wants to see that you are attempting to make a profit. Roughly speaking, they want to see some combination of advertising, operating in a businesslike manner, actually making a profit in some years, and a few other metrics.

But if all you are doing is selling your old gear on eBay, you probably are not making a profit. If you are not running a business, and got $15K for gear that originally cost you $20K, you probably don't have a taxable profit.

If you want to claim you had a loss, the IRS might suggest you got $5K worth of use out of the camera, which balances the $5K drop in value. Therefore there is no deductible loss.
 
If you are running a business, then a loss is generally deductible. If it's just a hobby, then losses are not generally deductible.

The IRS has some guidelines for determining whether or not something is a business. The IRS is wants to see that you are attempting to make a profit. Roughly speaking, they want to see some combination of advertising, operating in a businesslike manner, actually making a profit in some years, and a few other metrics.

But if all you are doing is selling your old gear on eBay, you probably are not making a profit. If you are not running a business, and got $15K for gear that originally cost you $20K, you probably don't have a taxable profit.

If you want to claim you had a loss, the IRS might suggest you got $5K worth of use out of the camera, which balances the $5K drop in value. Therefore there is no deductible loss.
I wonder how they view collectibles. I collect many things, including cameras. At some point, I may wish to sell off some of my collection. Sadly, I have not kept records of purchase prices. Some were found online, but others in thrift stores or the like. I see ebay/paypal only gives access to about three years of past transactions. So that old camera I bought in 2005 and now wish to sell, I won't even remember what I paid, let alone have proof of. What a mess.
 
That's a big problem. But in reality, I doubt IRS would audit you if the # of transactions is not excessive .

If you are running a business, then a loss is generally deductible. If it's just a hobby, then losses are not generally deductible.

The IRS has some guidelines for determining whether or not something is a business. The IRS is wants to see that you are attempting to make a profit. Roughly speaking, they want to see some combination of advertising, operating in a businesslike manner, actually making a profit in some years, and a few other metrics.

But if all you are doing is selling your old gear on eBay, you probably are not making a profit. If you are not running a business, and got $15K for gear that originally cost you $20K, you probably don't have a taxable profit.

If you want to claim you had a loss, the IRS might suggest you got $5K worth of use out of the camera, which balances the $5K drop in value. Therefore there is no deductible loss.
I wonder how they view collectibles. I collect many things, including cameras. At some point, I may wish to sell off some of my collection. Sadly, I have not kept records of purchase prices. Some were found online, but others in thrift stores or the like. I see ebay/paypal only gives access to about three years of past transactions. So that old camera I bought in 2005 and now wish to sell, I won't even remember what I paid, let alone have proof of. What a mess.
 
If you are running a business, then a loss is generally deductible. If it's just a hobby, then losses are not generally deductible.

The IRS has some guidelines for determining whether or not something is a business. The IRS is wants to see that you are attempting to make a profit. Roughly speaking, they want to see some combination of advertising, operating in a businesslike manner, actually making a profit in some years, and a few other metrics.

But if all you are doing is selling your old gear on eBay, you probably are not making a profit. If you are not running a business, and got $15K for gear that originally cost you $20K, you probably don't have a taxable profit.

If you want to claim you had a loss, the IRS might suggest you got $5K worth of use out of the camera, which balances the $5K drop in value. Therefore there is no deductible loss.
I wonder how they view collectibles. I collect many things, including cameras. At some point, I may wish to sell off some of my collection. Sadly, I have not kept records of purchase prices. Some were found online, but others in thrift stores or the like. I see ebay/paypal only gives access to about three years of past transactions. So that old camera I bought in 2005 and now wish to sell, I won't even remember what I paid, let alone have proof of. What a mess.
It’s always been a mess.

But I suspect if you are selling a camera from significantly more than you paid for it, you’re going to remember that.

If the items you are collecting are going down in value, then you aren’t making a profit, and aren’t making a taxable profit. If you are buying collectibles, letting them appreciate in value, and then selling them at a profit, then you are running a business, and should keep records.
 
If you are running a business, then a loss is generally deductible. If it's just a hobby, then losses are not generally deductible.

The IRS has some guidelines for determining whether or not something is a business. The IRS is wants to see that you are attempting to make a profit. Roughly speaking, they want to see some combination of advertising, operating in a businesslike manner, actually making a profit in some years, and a few other metrics.

But if all you are doing is selling your old gear on eBay, you probably are not making a profit. If you are not running a business, and got $15K for gear that originally cost you $20K, you probably don't have a taxable profit.

If you want to claim you had a loss, the IRS might suggest you got $5K worth of use out of the camera, which balances the $5K drop in value. Therefore there is no deductible loss.
I wonder how they view collectibles. I collect many things, including cameras. At some point, I may wish to sell off some of my collection. Sadly, I have not kept records of purchase prices. Some were found online, but others in thrift stores or the like. I see ebay/paypal only gives access to about three years of past transactions. So that old camera I bought in 2005 and now wish to sell, I won't even remember what I paid, let alone have proof of. What a mess.
It’s always been a mess.

But I suspect if you are selling a camera from significantly more than you paid for it, you’re going to remember that.

If the items you are collecting are going down in value, then you aren’t making a profit, and aren’t making a taxable profit. If you are buying collectibles, letting them appreciate in value, and then selling them at a profit, then you are running a business, and should keep records.
That makes sense. I am not in "sell" mode yet, but at age 50, I have been collecting many things for most of my life. I still have baseball cards from when I was a child in the 1970s. I have a large stamp collection, again, from the 1970s. I also repair and restore old radios. So those are even harder -- I have put dozens hours of time into some of them, restoring them. If it sells for more than I purchased it for, how do I value my labor?

Anyway, problems for the future. I don't plan to start selling off all my stuff until I hit 55.

I will say though, I sold a chair on Facebook marketplace for $150 back in November, Facebook asked me about my ssn as well. Apparently they are collecting information on sales, too.
 
That makes sense. I am not in "sell" mode yet, but at age 50, I have been collecting many things for most of my life. I still have baseball cards from when I was a child in the 1970s. I have a large stamp collection, again, from the 1970s. I also repair and restore old radios. So those are even harder --
Suppose that the baseball cards cost you a few hundred dollars when you bought them new. Some of those turn out to be rare baseball cards and you end up selling your collection for $250K. It seems reasonable that you have some income on the sale, and in the USA we tax income.

Once more companies start tracking and reporting this will all be easier. Keep in mind that you don’t need to track regular salary, bank interest, or even sales of stock, as those are now tracked for you, and you get forms at the end of the year reminding you of how much you made.

I have put dozens hours of time into some of them, restoring them. If it sells for more than I purchased it for, how do I value my labor?
For tax purposes, you don’t value your time.

If your time was a consideration, then income from a normal job wouldn’t be taxable. If you are paid $40K per year to work in an office, then your time is worth $40K. You got $40K, and “spent” $40K of your time, and therefore you would have broken even, and the $40K in salary would not have been taxable profit,
Anyway, problems for the future. I don't plan to start selling off all my stuff until I hit 55.

I will say though, I sold a chair on Facebook marketplace for $150 back in November, Facebook asked me about my ssn as well. Apparently they are collecting information on sales, too.
 

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