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Ted B.47613 · Nov 5, 2003

Well, not EXACTLY. ;^) I just bought a Sony DSC-V1 as a "hip" camera for those times my 1D is not readily available (in the trunk of the car). I will have to send the 1D to Canon NJ this week for repair (stuck pixels) and need SOMETHING to shoot with in the meantime. Something that, when I get the 1D back, will still be a viable option for those moments I cannot get to my 1D or don't need it's qualities to get the shot in front of me at the moment.

This little camera seems to be the cat's meow of 5mp, 4x zoom cameras and it's small size guarantees it will be there even if my 1D isn't.

Sorry to jump ship on Canon, but the G5 was just not up to the task, and too bulky, and nothing else had 4x zoom.

Ted

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bimmerman · Nov 5, 2003

If they took CF, I'd buy one right now. Otherwise I'd consider the Fuji S7000

Ted B. said:
Well, not EXACTLY. ;^) I just bought a Sony DSC-V1 as a "hip"
camera for those times my 1D is not readily available (in the trunk
of the car). I will have to send the 1D to Canon NJ this week for
repair (stuck pixels) and need SOMETHING to shoot with in the
meantime. Something that, when I get the 1D back, will still be a
viable option for those moments I cannot get to my 1D or don't need
it's qualities to get the shot in front of me at the moment.

This little camera seems to be the cat's meow of 5mp, 4x zoom
cameras and it's small size guarantees it will be there even if my
1D isn't.

Sorry to jump ship on Canon, but the G5 was just not up to the
task, and too bulky, and nothing else had 4x zoom.

Ted

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Teski · Nov 5, 2003

The G3 is one heck of a camera...Better than G5...Sure it's 4MP but for your carry around, do you need the extra megapixel? Now you need to buy memory sticks.

Teski

Ted B. said:
Well, not EXACTLY. ;^) I just bought a Sony DSC-V1 as a "hip"
camera for those times my 1D is not readily available (in the trunk
of the car). I will have to send the 1D to Canon NJ this week for
repair (stuck pixels) and need SOMETHING to shoot with in the
meantime. Something that, when I get the 1D back, will still be a
viable option for those moments I cannot get to my 1D or don't need
it's qualities to get the shot in front of me at the moment.

This little camera seems to be the cat's meow of 5mp, 4x zoom
cameras and it's small size guarantees it will be there even if my
1D isn't.

Sorry to jump ship on Canon, but the G5 was just not up to the
task, and too bulky, and nothing else had 4x zoom.

Ted

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Stan Jirman · Nov 5, 2003

G5 = 1 more MP. Ok, but that doesn't make it worse . How is the G3 better?

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Teski · Nov 5, 2003

Stan Jirman said:
G5 = 1 more MP. Ok, but that doesn't make it worse . How is the G3
better?

Stan

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Adam-T · Nov 6, 2003

Ted B.47613 said:
Well, not EXACTLY. ;^) I just bought a Sony DSC-V1 as a "hip"
camera for those times my 1D is not readily available

Good for you Ted! it's a great camera, I got tired of the slow (F4.9 at the long end) lens and lousy AF of my S30 which is a shame because it's the least noisy "Digicam" there is and takes superb photos - and got a refurb Fuji 602, I COULD have got a used G2 for the same money (£299) but that has lousy AF, less zoom range, typical canon lousy indoor white balance etc and resolves about the same amount of detail - the Fuji STIL fits in a large coat pocket.. I guess you bought the Sony for attributes which suit you..

The 717 is IMO the best consumer Digicam there is, beating the V1, 602, A1, 7HI, 5060 etc for resolution but no one was selling them even used for £300 and the 602 is really a more practical camera, I guess that the V1 is also on many respects.

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bimmerman · Nov 6, 2003

I had a 602 which I had to sell to finance my 10D. Image quality sure beats the G3 if you shoot at the pseudo 6mp and downsample to 4mp.

Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:

Well, not EXACTLY. ;^) I just bought a Sony DSC-V1 as a "hip"
camera for those times my 1D is not readily available

Click to expand...

Good for you Ted! it's a great camera, I got tired of the slow
(F4.9 at the long end) lens and lousy AF of my S30 which is a shame
because it's the least noisy "Digicam" there is and takes superb
photos - and got a refurb Fuji 602, I COULD have got a used G2 for
the same money (£299) but that has lousy AF, less zoom range,
typical canon lousy indoor white balance etc and resolves about the
same amount of detail - the Fuji STIL fits in a large coat pocket..
I guess you bought the Sony for attributes which suit you..

The 717 is IMO the best consumer Digicam there is, beating the V1,
602, A1, 7HI, 5060 etc for resolution but no one was selling them
even used for £300 and the 602 is really a more practical camera, I
guess that the V1 is also on many respects.

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Jim C. · Nov 6, 2003

Ted B. said:
Well, not EXACTLY. ;^) I just bought a Sony DSC-V1 as a "hip"
camera for those times my 1D is not readily available (in the trunk
of the car). I will have to send the 1D to Canon NJ this week for
repair (stuck pixels) and need SOMETHING to shoot with in the
meantime. Something that, when I get the 1D back, will still be a
viable option for those moments I cannot get to my 1D or don't need
it's qualities to get the shot in front of me at the moment.

This little camera seems to be the cat's meow of 5mp, 4x zoom
cameras and it's small size guarantees it will be there even if my
1D isn't.

Sorry to jump ship on Canon, but the G5 was just not up to the
task, and too bulky, and nothing else had 4x zoom.

Ted

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Stuart Rider · Nov 6, 2003

I just got a G5 to as a carry round for the same reason. I already have a bunch of CF cards, I'm not buying another format. Would have got a G3, but they're going for silly money.

It's actually pretty good, especially when used in conjunction with CA/noise reduction in PS CS.

bimmerman said:
Ted B. said:

Well, not EXACTLY. ;^) I just bought a Sony DSC-V1 as a "hip"
camera for those times my 1D is not readily available (in the trunk
of the car). I will have to send the 1D to Canon NJ this week for
repair (stuck pixels) and need SOMETHING to shoot with in the
meantime. Something that, when I get the 1D back, will still be a
viable option for those moments I cannot get to my 1D or don't need
it's qualities to get the shot in front of me at the moment.

This little camera seems to be the cat's meow of 5mp, 4x zoom
cameras and it's small size guarantees it will be there even if my
1D isn't.

Sorry to jump ship on Canon, but the G5 was just not up to the
task, and too bulky, and nothing else had 4x zoom.

Ted

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the shade? Benjamin Franklin

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Cheers,

Stuart Rider.

Adam-T · Nov 6, 2003

bimmerman said:
I had a 602 which I had to sell to finance my 10D. Image quality
sure beats the G3 if you shoot at the pseudo 6mp and downsample to
4mp.

This is what I do, Take all pics at "6Mp" fine soft sharpening, run a 602 modded version of Simon's 10 finisher and decide what rez they should remain at, landscapes and distance stuff end up being resized to 4Mp usually, closeups and long zoom shots where something fills the frame (or interiors) mainly get left at 6Mp as they still look good, duffers and oofs etc get resized to the native 3Mp (not many).

the camera does very well indeed as a 3Mp job which uses interpolation, it certainly out rezzes the E10 I had!.

Here are some 100% post processed crops of "6mp" images - pretty damn impressed for what I paid

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Tom O'Neil · Nov 6, 2003

I was wondering why you wouldn't consider the Sony 828 since it does take CF, but I guess I'm somewhat used to Canon announcing models and then actually shipping them within a few weeks. The 828 apparently isn't out yet. (A quick check of the Sony board shows forum members are agonizing over the quality of the 828's pre-production images. Nice to see that Canonites aren't the only obsessive-compulsive hand wringers in the digital universe.)

bimmerman said:
Ted B. said:

Well, not EXACTLY. ;^) I just bought a Sony DSC-V1 as a "hip"
camera for those times my 1D is not readily available (in the trunk
of the car). I will have to send the 1D to Canon NJ this week for
repair (stuck pixels) and need SOMETHING to shoot with in the
meantime. Something that, when I get the 1D back, will still be a
viable option for those moments I cannot get to my 1D or don't need
it's qualities to get the shot in front of me at the moment.

This little camera seems to be the cat's meow of 5mp, 4x zoom
cameras and it's small size guarantees it will be there even if my
1D isn't.

Sorry to jump ship on Canon, but the G5 was just not up to the
task, and too bulky, and nothing else had 4x zoom.

Ted

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the shade? Benjamin Franklin

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@Dan.com · Nov 6, 2003

My first digital camera was the 6900z which I still have. A nice P&S camera. I find the 3Mp fine to be the sweet spot on that camera and is my standard setting. The 6Mp are just larger files that are not that much notibly better. Maybe they improved that on the 602.

Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:

I had a 602 which I had to sell to finance my 10D. Image quality
sure beats the G3 if you shoot at the pseudo 6mp and downsample to
4mp.

Click to expand...

This is what I do, Take all pics at "6Mp" fine soft sharpening, run
a 602 modded version of Simon's 10 finisher and decide what rez
they should remain at, landscapes and distance stuff end up being
resized to 4Mp usually, closeups and long zoom shots where
something fills the frame (or interiors) mainly get left at 6Mp as
they still look good, duffers and oofs etc get resized to the
native 3Mp (not many).

the camera does very well indeed as a 3Mp job which uses
interpolation, it certainly out rezzes the E10 I had!.

Here are some 100% post processed crops of "6mp" images - pretty
damn impressed for what I paid

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Adam-T · Nov 6, 2003

@Dan.com said:
My first digital camera was the 6900z which I still have. A nice
P&S camera.

When I was getting my first "DSLR" type Digital camera to migrate more of my work over to Digital, I looked at the Dimage-7 (Nice mechanics, Junk electronics), Coolpix 5000 (Horrible), G2 (the reverse of the Dimage-7) and the 6900 which I liked almost everything about and would have pulled the trigger on if I hadn't found a good deal on a refurb Oly E10 - I even had a sneaky suspicion at the time that the image quality of the 6900 was better than the E10 OUTSIDE the studio, but then most of my work was IN a studio environment shooting products for catalogs etc so the 6900 woudln't really cut it, I needed all the E10's features (400V PC Sync socket, Wired and infra remotes, fast lens with proper mechanical zoom, real SLR viewing etc) and build and the hideous file handling wasn't a bother. Whatever, the E10 was no landscape camera, noise levels even at ISO80 weren't acceptable for a main Do it all camera and I grabbed a D60 ASAP.

Link to the 602 compared to the E10 - the E10 was shot when I had one of course, the 602's are 6Mp resized to E10 size - 100% crops.

Now it's a different matter, I use a 1D for that stuff (most stuff actually) so yet again I almost pulled the trigger on a 6900, though now it was a USED one, but it was to be thwarted yet again - by another refurb, though this time is was another Fuji - the 602 and it was only £70 more - the CF card slot & AA batteries were the main reasons, secondary were the improved EVF (I'm not a fan of EVFs at the best of times) and supposedly improved noise levels, though the other updates are welcome also

.

@Dan.com said:
that are not that much notibly better. Maybe they improved that on
the 602.

I don't know, I was VERY impressed with the image quality of the 6900, you can see the 6Mp 100% crops from the 602 in my previous post

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@Dan.com · Nov 6, 2003

Adam, I agree with you about the EVF. That's the one thing I hate about that camera. Many times, I felt like I was shooting in the dark because I could not really see and compose the image. One day, I picked up my A1 to do some shoots and realized what I was missing. That was right after they came out with the 602. At that point, I did not look back. My eyes were on Canon DSLR. I totally ignored the 602 because I did not want to be tempted. Glad I waited.

Funny you mentioned the E-10. I have a friend who's E-10 was stolen along with my 1D (that's in another thread). He loved his E10 and wants to get another. Do you know anything about the E10 vs. E20?

Dan

Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:

My first digital camera was the 6900z which I still have. A nice
P&S camera.

Click to expand...

When I was getting my first "DSLR" type Digital camera to migrate
more of my work over to Digital, I looked at the Dimage-7 (Nice
mechanics, Junk electronics), Coolpix 5000 (Horrible), G2 (the
reverse of the Dimage-7) and the 6900 which I liked almost
everything about and would have pulled the trigger on if I hadn't
found a good deal on a refurb Oly E10 - I even had a sneaky
suspicion at the time that the image quality of the 6900 was better
than the E10 OUTSIDE the studio, but then most of my work was IN a
studio environment shooting products for catalogs etc so the 6900
woudln't really cut it, I needed all the E10's features (400V PC
Sync socket, Wired and infra remotes, fast lens with proper
mechanical zoom, real SLR viewing etc) and build and the hideous
file handling wasn't a bother. Whatever, the E10 was no landscape
camera, noise levels even at ISO80 weren't acceptable for a main Do
it all camera and I grabbed a D60 ASAP.

Link to the 602 compared to the E10 - the E10 was shot when I had
one of course, the 602's are 6Mp resized to E10 size - 100% crops.

Now it's a different matter, I use a 1D for that stuff (most stuff
actually) so yet again I almost pulled the trigger on a 6900,
though now it was a USED one, but it was to be thwarted yet again -
by another refurb, though this time is was another Fuji - the 602
and it was only £70 more - the CF card slot & AA batteries were the
main reasons, secondary were the improved EVF (I'm not a fan of
EVFs at the best of times) and supposedly improved noise levels,
though the other updates are welcome also .

Adam-T said:

that are not that much notibly better. Maybe they improved that on
the 602.

Click to expand...

I don't know, I was VERY impressed with the image quality of the
6900, you can see the 6Mp 100% crops from the 602 in my previous
post

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Franklin · Nov 6, 2003

My experience differs. I found the images from 602 are terrible, not even close to what 6900 can do. They have a lot of pixelization and lack detail. OTOH, G3 image is much better and closer to what DSLR image looks like.
Just my 2cents.

Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:

I had a 602 which I had to sell to finance my 10D. Image quality
sure beats the G3 if you shoot at the pseudo 6mp and downsample to
4mp.

Click to expand...

This is what I do, Take all pics at "6Mp" fine soft sharpening, run
a 602 modded version of Simon's 10 finisher and decide what rez
they should remain at, landscapes and distance stuff end up being
resized to 4Mp usually, closeups and long zoom shots where
something fills the frame (or interiors) mainly get left at 6Mp as
they still look good, duffers and oofs etc get resized to the
native 3Mp (not many).

the camera does very well indeed as a 3Mp job which uses
interpolation, it certainly out rezzes the E10 I had!.

Here are some 100% post processed crops of "6mp" images - pretty
damn impressed for what I paid

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Adam-T · Nov 6, 2003

@Dan.com said:
E10 and wants to get another. Do you know anything about the E10
vs. E20?

At the time the E20 came out, it wasn't worth the extra cash, they improved the file viewing speed but left the same lame CPU and card interface in so file writing was a joke, still noisy and not much of an update IMO. I'd suggest a used D30 over either despite the 3Mp, a D60 even better or a 300D

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Adam-T · Nov 6, 2003

Franklin said:
My experience differs. I found the images from 602 are terrible,
not even close to what 6900 can do. They have a lot of pixelization
and lack detail.

Definately not my findings!. they're basically the same camera and at best the 6900 matches the 602 if both used in soft sharpening mode and processed in Photoshop, the problem with the 602 is that they overcooked the "normal" sharpening setup over the 6900 so the results in that mode are hideous with all sorts of haloes and artifacts, I NEVER use that mode and never will - for the record they seem to have upped it even more in the 7000 as well as adding very heavy compression and noise reduction in the JPG modes.

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@Dan.com · Nov 6, 2003

He actually had to buy the 300D for a live shoot he was being paid for. It came with a 15 day return policy. He found the low light focusing to be a problem. Only 50% of his shots were in focus. He returned it and is looking to go back to the E10 or E20.

Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:

E10 and wants to get another. Do you know anything about the E10
vs. E20?

Click to expand...

At the time the E20 came out, it wasn't worth the extra cash, they
improved the file viewing speed but left the same lame CPU and card
interface in so file writing was a joke, still noisy and not much
of an update IMO. I'd suggest a used D30 over either despite the
3Mp, a D60 even better or a 300D

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--Penelope Lombard

Adam-T · Nov 6, 2003

@Dan.com said:
focusing to be a problem. Only 50% of his shots were in focus. He
returned it and is looking to go back to the E10 or E20.

the 300D's AF is actually vastly superior, in fact the D60s was better, the E10 DID rely on very deep DOF most of the time so if it "Sort of" locked , it's likely a shot would be usable, the 602 has the same coarse IR based primary AF setup (the fine is done by the CCD) and even when I get the AF! symbol come up more often than not, the shot is OK as the IR has got it in the ball park

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Ted B.47613 · Nov 6, 2003

I was not happy with the shutter lag on the G2, and the V1 is faster than a G5 and I assume than the G3, too. The Gx cameras are bigger than I want. I wanted something to carry on my belt all the time. The G2/3/5 is just too bulky, to me (I used to have a G2, too, and did carry it on my belt, but it was always in the way.

I really wanted the 4X zoom, too.

Image quality with the V1 was better than the G5, as far as noise goes. All in all, and after really researching it thoroughly, I picked the V1.

Ted

Teski said:
Teski

Ted B. said:

Well, not EXACTLY. ;^) I just bought a Sony DSC-V1 as a "hip"
camera for those times my 1D is not readily available (in the trunk
of the car). I will have to send the 1D to Canon NJ this week for
repair (stuck pixels) and need SOMETHING to shoot with in the
meantime. Something that, when I get the 1D back, will still be a
viable option for those moments I cannot get to my 1D or don't need
it's qualities to get the shot in front of me at the moment.

This little camera seems to be the cat's meow of 5mp, 4x zoom
cameras and it's small size guarantees it will be there even if my
1D isn't.

Sorry to jump ship on Canon, but the G5 was just not up to the
task, and too bulky, and nothing else had 4x zoom.

Ted

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