Larry Rexley wrote:
PVDL wrote:
Thanks for all that valuable info. I am impressed by your impressions. I am studying it carefully and it will help me decide. One more thing: will there ever be a m6 iii ? #ChrystalBall #NoOneKnows
Do you have a Crystal Ball is right
Apologies -- I rechecked and both of the moon images used the 2x teleconverter, the caption is incorrect for the first Moon image which did not mention the TC.
Also forgot to mention that with the M6ii I get clean high ISO images to about ISO 6400 or so with DxO Deep Prime, and have to 'work harder' to clean up images around ISO 8000 - 10,000. With the M50ii I was starting to see mottling at ISO 3200 or so. Deeper comparison testing using nearly identical conditions would be required to confirm this impression, though.
If thinking about both cameras to decide --- images are great with both. The deciding factor might be budget --- if on a tight budget the M50ii is certainly a good performer, but if you need higher frame rate, bigger buffer, or the many additional features of the M6ii (custom exposure modes, uncropped 4k video, higher res for more PP flexibility, interval timer, etc, better controls) the M6ii for me is still the clear choice.
As a second body for me the M50ii works well.
For what it's worth (if anyone is still listening) I have some more thoughts about using the M50ii after taking in out on many daily shoots as part of my normal 'kit' along with the M6ii.
Typically I go on shoots by bicycle, carrying a medium-sized camera bag that can't be too heavy to dig into my shoulder. I'll take the two bodies and the following lenses: EF-M 11-22, EF-M 18-150, EF-S 55-250 IS STM with 1.5x Kenko teleconverter, EF-M 22mm f2, and either an adapted NIkon DX (crop sensor) 35mm f1.8 (it is very sharp at f1.8) or a 50mm f1.8 - f2 lens (various brands - either Canon EF ii or a vintage lens).
Usually the EF-M 11-22mm is mounted on the M50ii by default, and the EF-M 18-150mm on the M6ii in case I need a little more reach due to higher sensor resolution. In good daylight those two configurations will handle 90% of all shots without the need to change lenses. Extremely convenient and both give very similar IQ images.
Sometimes I'll switch to use the EF-S 55-250 IS STM + 1.5 teleconverter on the M6ii if the subject is quite far away. When the sun sets the default configurations changes to the M50ii with the EF-M 22mm f2, and the M6ii with a fast 35mm or 50mm lens.
All along, I've thought that if cost weren't a consideration, using 2 m6ii bodies would be preferable to having one m6ii and one m50ii.
But interestingly, I have grown to like the M50ii a lot --- and at this point I don't think I would change it out for a second M6ii body.
Here's why:
- The M50ii in most situations gives final images at my usual final resolution (2160 pixels high) that are virtually indistinguishable from the M6ii images, even at crazy-high ISOs like 12,800 using DxO Deep Prime
- For most shooting, the M50ii gives good enough performance. It has very good, responsive AF with the similar AF options and performance as the m6ii, good enough frame rate for most shooting, great 'creative modes' that are mostly the same as the m6ii, and useable fully automatic 'silent mode' that uses the electronic shutter only, with 'reasonable choices' for default shutter speeds and apertures for much of my shooting.
- It uses EFCS and mechanical shutter for most modes, so I don't worry about shutter shock --- and don't have to think about rolling shutter effects that I sometimes see using the M6ii with electronic shutter only
- The M50ii's RAW file sizes are noticeably smaller than the M6ii's, usually around 27 MB for the M6ii vs 18 MB for the M50ii. I know memory is 'cheap' these days --- but you know what, it does make a difference on the memory card, transferring files, and with post-processing speed, and such similar image quality, it's really nice to be able to choose a 'smaller size RAW file' option to shoot with. 32 MB is overkill for a lot of typical shooting. Really great to have BOTH options when you need them.
- Even though there isn't a huge size and weight difference (like a DSLR vs mirrorless), the M50ii is a little smaller and lighter than the M6ii, making it even easier to shoot with. Its grip and size are still big enough so that even in my large hands shooting with the M50ii is no problem at all. It's just a fun camera to use!
- It's nice to have the choice of the M6ii with removable EVF for shooting on the telescope and for situations where the tilting screen and no EVF are useful --- and the option of the M50ii with its fully articulating screen and built-in EVF for different types of shooting. I understand so many folks wanting an M5ii --- the DSLR-like form factor w/built-in EVF is a great compact 'body choice' if you never remove the EVF.
So there you have it. I bought the M50ii as a second body thinking it was a compromise over using another m6ii --- only to find unexpectedly that it grew on me, and now I wouldn't swap it out for a second M6ii.
