Re: Wouldn’t trust PR statements
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About Olympus camera lenses sizes and complaints .
I have the E-M10 ..small compact and i can use all m4/3 lenses (normal and Pro) with kit lens .
I have E-M5 something bigger and i can use all m4/3 lenses ( normal and Pro ) with kit lens .
I have E-M1 series a bit more bigger and i can use all m4/3 lenses (normal and Pro) .
I have E-M1X great camera for wildlife ... much more people are discovering the greatness of this camera after 2years .... (this E-M1X has been burned down from the start by stupid people ) , and i can put all m4/3 lenses on it (big and small) .
just missed this It should people darling - it just wasn’t selling and it seemed way too expensive at its size and sensor Just because people didn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are necessarily stupid people The sales at least at first prove the point - the camera wasn’t selling well
Contrary to opinion, EM1X was selling well when it debuted.
"We don't share the sales figures for the OM-D E-M1X, but it is selling pretty well."
-Masanori Sako, Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy
https://phototrend.fr/2020/03/interview-olympus-masanori-sako-japon-2020/
Not what the sales they did on it , along store data shows plus Things like BcN/ Amazon/ bhpjoto best sellers list shows
What store data? I see none.
You can check the lists at BHPhoto, Amazon, BCN. I have checked two major hubs of authorized Olympus camera sellers.
Does this list tell me units sold from Q1 2019 - Q1 2020?
No, but it does tell you relative to other models how popular in sales the model is. You can connect the dots from there.
No, there is no data in this statement. Popularity in one market at one finite point in time does not yield global sales units. If you are in America market that is not even top 3 for Olympus.
What I do see is Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy saying "We don't share the sales figures for the OM-D E-M1X, but it is selling pretty well." How could sites you mention have sales data if Olympus does not share global sales figures...
Look up. IT's very simple- they simply list what's selling best by them. Those are big stores, they aren't small.
They do not report unit sales. How could sites you mention have sales data if Olympus does not share global sales figures...
See above.
Olympus management doesn’t seem very trusty particularly after the accounting scandal and the fact they were trying to sell Olympus imaging since 2012 after denying that, after having quarter after quarter of Olympus imaging loses
So I wouldn’t take that statement as reliable and kore as company PR the same thing happened with the Olympus 4/3 e-5 - didn’t sell well but they sure said it was doing well
Speculation. Who has more access to sales data than Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy. His word vs whose...yours?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/masanori-sako-55582068
Where is your profile so I can see how you have inside information at OMDS...
They also told os that Olympus wouldn't sell. If you want to believe them on face value, go ahead.
Olympus did not sell. One smaller division sold. Where did Masanori Sako say otherwise?
When I said "Olympus wouldn't sell" we are talking about the Olympus Imaging division. Olympus several times denied this was happening. Pretty much everyone in this forum knows that! Biggest irony is they were looking to sell the division since 2012!
Olympus has many thousand employees. Where did Masanori Sako say EM1X had anything other than "it is selling pretty well"?
I am afraid you are not following the premise under which I am basing the argument- Masanori is an Olympus employee and we have a track record of some statements being off like the sale. Therefore the point is we can't simply trust at face value.
False premise. That is the problem. Say your employer at some point in time has made false or misleading statement. Then everything you say as employee is not trust worthy. Fair enough?
Basically what he's saying has to be taken with some salt given it's a company official statement, and the company we are talking about has been shown to have a track record to make statements that may not be true.
The monumental difference between what he say and what you say is that in the end, he is in a position to know. You are not.
I’ll try to get store data after the price drops and see how it’s doing after that
Get first full year data too for all markets, not smaller ones. In HK I was 46th on waiting list for first EM1X and waited 13 weeks for second EM1X.
The data I have of stores is not small market.
What data? The data that Masanori Sako does not have, but you claim to? I find that very hard to believe.
No, this is quite simple actually. You know some big authorized dealers/hubs in the area, and you have talked to some of the management because you have a friendly relationship with them.
No names, no sources, no data. You can make up anything you like, it does make it real data.
I gave you some places you can check already. You should go to your nearest authorized Olympus dealer and have a chat. One big hub that sells a lot of camera equipment is in Berkely, the other in LA.
These are unverifiable. No sources of data exist. Is Berkley global market for Olympus?
They simply tell you the EM1X is simply not selling. in contrast the EM5MKIII sold several already within the first two weeks.
What tells you? We have a journalist asking Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy saying on record "We don't share the sales figures for the OM-D E-M1X, but it is selling pretty well." How could you have sales data if Olympus does not share sales figures...
See above about company statements.
I do not see a company statement. I see a marketing manager answering journalist question.
Now, I re-iterate- I haven't tracked the EM1X data either by sales list or these stores since they did the big price drops.
Tracked who? How? You have knowledge of every store in every market with every unit sale every day for 12 months?
Tracked by sales list (as I just said- that means BCN, Amazon, BhPhoto sales lists), or by asking again those big hubs how is it going - since the price drops.
Where are these lists? What global markets do they derive input from that Olympus does not have access to. BCN do not report model specific data only brand.
Another big hint the EM1X is simply not moving is when Olympus USA did the offer of buying 3 pro expensive lenses and you get an EM1MKIII *or* an EM1X free.
This interview is reflection on first year on market. Promo happened later and required huge spend to get camera. Margin on lenses paid for cameras.
Yes, and as I pointed above, I am saying we can't just take it at face value given the company has recently made statements that were not true.
We can not take your unverified sources at face value. The difference between what Masanori Sako say and what you say is that in the end, he is in a position to know. You can only speculate.
Why would the EM1X being the significantly more expensive camera be bundled like that? You connect all the dots with this data.
To move lenses. It is an incentive like every manufacturer offer.
Yes except you don't put a clearly more expensive camera, the EM1X at the same give-away price as the EM1MKIII.
Which some people will prefer if they do not need integrated grip. So it is about moving lenses.
This highlights something has gone off with the EM1X. If the EM1X was so wanted, they would still give it in such way so that you still pay more than the EM1MKIII. That's the point. I am not the only one who say this.
The lenses were offered at steep discounts. Nothing new.
finally keep in mind generally speaking new models sell well during the first few weeks due to lent up demand that want them. It’s in the coMing months you get how it’s really doing.
He was reflecting on first full year of sales in interview. Not weeks.
That's fine, but as I said, this is a PR statement.
No, it was an interview with French journalist.
Yes, an interview by a company representative. That's part of PR (public relations).
It was not a PR statement prepared by the company. It was an answer in response to a journalist question during an interview.
An interview by a company representative is PR.
It is not a PR statement. Very different business.
They told us Olympus Imaging would never sell- remember. I don't think much of any company is going to come forward with sales particularly the they could no longer need to put out financial reports.
You keep saying "they". Where did Masanori Sako say otherwise?
They - Olympus the company when it wasn't being sold. There's several data on this, I am not sure why this is so surprising to you now.
What data suggests Masanori Sako say otherwise? You continue to dodge the question.
I didn't! I explained to you that you can check best sellers lists over the year for BCN, BHPhoto, Amazon and a few others. Check it is up to you.
This is not a valid source of data. EM1X was best seller list in HK on release. Asian markets far exceed American for Olympus.
at the Olympus authorized jig dealer hub over here the camera was just not moving The em5 mkiii moved some upon launch and later
Irrelevant.
Not irrelevant when it's a big dealer in the area. And I know two. But then you can check the sales info for yourself in the bigger stores as they have their biggest seller lists.
Who? How many units global over 12 months? You do not have access to such data. Pretending you do only beclown yourself.
It seems that you are missing the point of the data we have. You dont' need exact sales to know something is just not selling well. Once again- and I re-iterate, I haven't tracked once the price came down. Maybe it's selling finally now.
1. You don't reveal any data
Yes, the data that it is NOT selling. Like at all. Zero.
Show it. The data, where is it? Easy to say sales are zero. I can say sales are 100000000000. That means nothing.
2. Masanori Sako has exact sales data...do you?
The question here is- do we believe him? He has data. Did he speak truthfully? The company representatives said Olympus wouldn't sell the Imaging division, yet it did. Worse- they were looking for a buyer since 2012.
The difference between what Masanori Sako say and what you say is that in the end, he is in a position to know. You can only speculate. You have provided no data to support your speculation. You say "see Amazon". Okay, where does Amazon post units of EM1X sold over time? Let us begin there.
The notion that you know more about an Olympus product success than the Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy at Olympus is insanity.
