Manual variable aperture zoom on a digital Pentax

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Re: What I've observed

James O'Neill wrote:

MightyMike wrote:

James O'Neill wrote:

GossCTP wrote:

James O'Neill wrote:

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alex_virt wrote:

Can anybody explain to me how a manual A-series zoom with variable max aperture behaves on a digital Pentax camera?

For example, I have an F3.5-4.5 zoom.

Do I understand correctly that the camera doesn't know the actual aperture and treats the lens as a constant F3.5 zoom and underexposes at the long end?

If I set the aperture in camera to F4.5, will it remain F4.5 through the zoom range and become wide open at the long end? Or will it remain stopped down to the actual aperture of F5-something at the long end?

Here's what I have observed. The lens communicates focal length so at some point it changes the wide open metering from f/3.5 to f/4.5.

There is a difference between A-Series lenses which have 5 pins which send just aperture info, and FA / DA / DFA lenses which send focal length and current min/max aperture at that focal length. You can see this in (e.g.) exiftool. for example with my smc PENTAX-DA 18-250mm F3.5-6.3 ED AL [IF] I see this.

Yeah, I realized that after posting. I don't have any A zooms, only primes.

Lens Focal Length : 100.0 mm
Nominal Max Aperture : 5.7
Nominal Min Aperture : 38
Max Aperture : 5.5

Lens Focal Length : 250.0 mm
Nominal Max Aperture : 6.7
Nominal Min Aperture : 45
Max Aperture : 6.2

The lens itself though moves in a smooth continuum from one end to the other. You can observe this with DOF preview. Zoom in small increments with the lens set to wide open - there is no point where the blades ever stop down in the slightest.

Yes! You have wide open which might be any value between f/3.5 and f4.5 and then 1/3 stop down, 2/3 stop, etc until you reach the smallest aperture.

Therefore at the point where the lens jumps from 3.5 to 4.5 there will be an exposure error because the real aperture is at f/4 but at that point that the meter jumps 2/3 of a stop as the real aperture shifts very little.

It doesn't really jump. What has actually happened is the meter will see a will think the lens is at f/3.5 and the light out side is say EV20, when it's really f/4.5 and the light is nearer to EV21. It might think it is stopping down to f/8 but but it's really going to f/10 but that's OK because the light is brighter than the camera thinks it is.

I get that the meter is working off the real wide open f/stop (t/stop really). But there is a point in any of these post A lenses where the lens tells the camera it just went from one max aperture to another. You turn the lens barrel 1mm and the value changes abruptly while the real aperture moves on a smooth continuum. The meter will see a very minimal difference between say 44mm and 45mm, wide open, but meter thinks it has shifted and will jump to the next aperture value For metering. For whatever reason all the Pentax cameras I have used seem to jump from 3.5 to 4.5 with variable aperture lenses. I think the test lens I was using was the 16-85.

What I've noticed with the 18-250 is it doesn't record all the focal lengths, those go in steps, so it's fair to assume that the min/max aperture do too - actually in those samples above it seems "nominal max aperture is in what the camera displays (and it does include f/4.0) and "max aperture" is whatever odd value it happens to be.

Across all modern zooms the Pentax system only reports 16 focal lengths (can't speak for the absolute most recent lenses but I suspect nothing has changed).

The 18-250 reports 32 focal lengths. It's definitely a power of 2 though

Good to know, thanks, it appears either something has improved or Tamron bucked the trend.

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