BIF with R5 and RF 100-500mm compared to A9II and FE 200-600 G

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Good to know. Thanks for the first hand experience. Interesting comparison here:

Don't tell my R5s that I have been using the A1! CRAZY RESULTS! Sony Alpha 1 vs Canon EOS R5 - YouTube

Thanks for posting this, Very good comparison.

I honestly think people are splitting hairs in comparing the two systems (A1 vs R5) for BIF. Pluses and minuses for both systems. And realistically the minuses are so few. I switched from Sony to Canon when the R5 came out, and in hindsight I should have stuck with Sony and waited for the A1. Not because I think the A1 is a vastly superior camera, I just already had a small investment in a few Sony lenses. I still own the A9 and 200-600. I've considered selling the R5, 100-500RF and 24-105RF and buying an A1, but I think it's just GAS. If I owned a 600 F4 GM then I would not have jumped to Canon at all.

I know Tony N was criticized when he said the R5 AF was slightly better than the A1, but here we have another where the reviewer says the R5 AF is slightly better during stills,

and much better during video (A1 has no eye AF I guess). So now I've seen half a dozen where they reviewers say, "both great, but very slight edge to R5 for stills and big edge for video".

Nope that's not what he said. R5 is better at the initial acquisition with animal ey af but after acquisition A1 tracks better and has slightly higher focus accuracy.

No, he said especially when the birds were not close up the R5 holds on to the birds better. He talks about the A1 struggling. See 12:18 mark and 12:48 mark.

He also complains about having to change between animal AF and bird AF and people AF on the A1 at the 15:00 mark, which is another reason he prefers the A1.

I rest my case lol!

Yeah, bad type on my part. But you can see throughout the video he repeatedly says the R5 AF is better and gives several reasons why. He also says IBIS is better and AF during

The A1 af tracking is more accurate and more consistent and you get 30% more images during action.

That is not what he said, He showed how the A1 AF jumps off the subject and does not hold it as well. So now there are now a number of articles and videos that say the R5 AF is better overall. I have yet to see any any that say overall the A1 AF is better ( though I concede some fans of Sony will say it is).

Well whatever works for you. The end result is 72 A1 images to choose from for the best wing position/eye reflection/background composition vs 43 from the R5.

Heck, compared to when I started out 43 or 72 images was totally inconceivable and I still was able to get lots of great shots.  The way I look at it is that we are living in the lap of luxury with either option.

video are better, For me, having to an AF setting deep in the menus every time the subject changes is, as he says, the A1 fatal flaw.

Just assign it to a custom button.

How?? The camera does not how which type of subject it is set for, So the only way to tell is to dig deep into the menus. And are you suggesting to set 3 buttons, one for animals, one for birds and one for people? I agree with the reviewer, it is a fatal flaw.

Just set a custom button and press it and you can see what mode it is in in the EVF.

And let's not forget during video the A1 can't detect animal or birds at all. Another reason he said the R5 AF is overall better than the A1.

One thing I read that he did not mention is how the A1 will lose focus if the subject moves near the edge of the frame or briefly out of the frame, It only has about 92% AF coverage and most of the lack of coverage is on the sides,

The R5 will lose focus if the subject moves out of the frame as well.

That is not what reviewers have said. It is able to keep focus if the subject briefly moves out of the frame unlike the A1.

That's because the A1's autofocus is so fast that if the subject moves out of the frame it will focus on the background instantly. <smile>.

Did you read anywhere that you get rolling shutter artefacts from the R5 sometimes or EVF lag ? Some consider those to be a fatal flaws - they were not noticeable to me but then I wasn't shooting humming birds or very long action sequences.

It is OK to express your opinion, but you are misrepresenting the review. He clearly said the R5 is better, as have a number of reviews. He prefers the R5. Its AF is better and its $2600 less. I think it has a better body, and the review said IBIS is better too.

Sure but my lens is about AU$2,000 cheaper has 100mm more reach and is faster (f6.3) and at the end of the day for the same sequence I still have more in focus images to choose from - a lot more.

Here are a few images from a continuous sequence of around 4 seconds (120 images) of this little bird stacking 5 bugs in its beak. With 30% more images I have much more chance of getting the insect and the bird in the frame and also some great compositions.

Of course you may not want to capture this type of action - for those who do the A1 is a better option.

Oh and the bird flies out of the frame a few times but the A1 has no problem picking up where it left off

Video of this sequence can be found here

My video focus is a bit off when filming animals/birds though - in my dreams that gets fixed with a firmware update :-D.

Somewhere in this video there is a clip where the focus wanders all over the place. Enough to make me wish for an R5 !

R5 has a slight edge overall for stills AF, and at the very end he says for his use the R5 is a better overall camera,

Not sure that can be interpreted as a slight edge to the R5 for stills.

He says it several times and mentions it again in the comments.

For action those extra FPS means a lot more subject positions to chose from - he mentions that as well.

It that around the several times he says the R5 which costs almost $3000 less has slightly better AF during video, and much better AF during video?

I saw in the comments he mentioned he will later do a full video on how much better IBIS is on the R5 too.

Obviously being almost $3000 less is a nice perk for the R5 too.