Future of EOS-M cameras and EF-M lenses...

keeponkeepingon wrote:

Sittatunga wrote:

keeponkeepingon wrote:

Satyaa wrote:

this summer. And I started looking for a camera smaller than DSLR, and small primes.

Primes are perhaps the weekest segment of the EOS-M ecosystem.

From Canon we have 22, 28, and 32mm covering a whopping 10mm.

Is there any ecosystem today with such a week prime lineup?

3rd party support is also weak (compared to sony etc)

Sony's last APS-C prime came out in 2013; they do have six altogether; none of them are f/1.4 and although their FF primes can be used without an adapter they're not generally that small. For later or faster glass Sony rely on the Sigma and Viltrox lenses that are becoming available for Canon EF-M.

> came out in 2013

I'm not sure why the year is relevant? Canon's still current EF 50mm F1.4 came out in 1990 but still takes great pictures.

It's an indication of how interested Sony are in APS-C primes. Maybe they think they've got the set and those lenses don't need to be improved. It's more likely that they don't think that the likely sales will justify developing them further.

> ; they do have six altogether;

It's not just the number it's that they cover 16-50mm, a lot more coverage than canon's 22-32. And that's just the made by sony options.

Well if you include third party, there are over a dozen Samyang EF-M mount lenses from 8mm rectangular fisheye to 135mm f/2.

Sony has what I consider essential: A small, compact 50mm 1.8 and it's even image stabilized. It's really mystifying why canon does not have a 50mm in their line up and the sigma, while I'm sure it's wonderful, is also a huge F1.4 lens.

I'd prefer a 62mm f /1.8 but I'm not holding my breath. My Mark 1 EF 50mm f /1.8 with its adapter is smaller and cheaper than my Samyang EF-M 50mm f /1.2. I'm sure Canon could make a small 50mm EF-M lens but they obviously don't think it would pay for itself.

> becoming available for Canon EF-M.

Unfortunately sigma has not adapted their only smaller primes to canon like the 19/30/60mm F2.8 and all of the "good primes" are huge.

Likely sales is the reason.

What's the point of having a small camera with a beast like the sigma 16mm F1.8?

Quite, even though it's f/1.4.

But I have not looked in a while. Are there any 3rd party compact primes for the M system with AF? It seems everyone is trying to fill in the gaping F1.4 hole in the M lineup and no one wants to go head to head with canon or even fill in the gaps with smaller lenses like the 60mm F2.8.

Not that I know of. Those of us who want them, want them badly. The manufacturers obviously don't think there are enough of us who want them badly enough to pay the amount they would have to charge.

> Their FF primes can be used without an adapter they're not generally that small.

They've made some progress in this area with the new 28mm F2.8 and 40mm and 50mm F2.5 G lenses.

Those lenses are about twice as much as I would be willing to pay for an APS-C lens. They are even more expensive than the EF-M 32mm f/1.4.

Those along with the new 28-60, and older 28mm F2, 35mm F1.8 and 35mm F2.8 ZA give you some full frame options would not be out of place on an APS-C body.
And when size is not an issue it's nice that without an adapter you can get just about anything and any lens that you bjy (APS-C or full frame) can be used on their full frame cameras (even the APS-C lenses). With canon you can't use the latest and greatest R lenses on the M and there is not a single camera that can use the M lenses besides the M.......

The only "saving grace" to the EF-M prime lineup is the 32mm F1.4..... Saving grace or last gasp?
At the end of the day the M systems has a lot of advantages (I own two bodies) but even with the 32mm it's still a weak native prime and even zoom lens lineup.

28mm f/3.5 macro and 22mm f/2, the pair for less than the price of the Sony 24mm f/2.8? I don't think EOS M was ever intended to be a do-everything enthusiast system. It's a small companion to an EOS R or a full-frame DSLR, or a family camera for people who want a more versatile option than a phone. Complaining about it not being a full system is like complaining about a BMC Mini for not being a Range-Rover.