Which other system to pair with Fujifilm

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Makingtrax Senior Member • Posts: 1,040
Re: Some SONY complement FUJI well me thinks ...

deednets wrote:

DuncanIdaho wrote:

Ok, so instead of wondering what its like to shoot with other cameras, I decided to get a used mid-tier FF camera as an addition to my fujifilm kit. though I could also rent I believe buying used and selling will be more cost effective and allows me to spend more time with it. then again this is all just hobby to me and i'd like to play around with different tools.

hence I was asking my self, which would be the best system or camera to pair with fujifilm? my idea was to buy a used FF body for under <2000€ and to get a system which has different strength/weaknesses than my current fuji (XE1 + XT2) setup.

My personal take on the different options is as follows:

Canon RF

I only had Nikon before and would be curious to try out a canon instead. plus used L-class EF lenses are widespread and easy to get on the 2nd hand market.

I like the surface material used of the EOS R and even though it has its quirks it would be good just for the sake of trying "something else".

unfortunately I believe my next camera should have IBIS. (I currently have XT2) in addition all new RF lenses fall into the categories "affordable but mediocre quality" or "superb but way too expensive for me".

Nikon Z

I was always fond of Nikon and a while ago I held a Z6 in my hand and have to say, that it felt absolutely like "coming home". I also like the way they pursue with there affordable yet very high quality 1.8 primes.

Used Z6's and Z7's are also a great bargain currently.

So compared to my XT2 I'd gain

  • better grip
  • IBIS
  • somewhat refined software (smartphone app, intelligent auto iso, more advanced bracketing, etc)

Sony

This is a tough one. TBH I dont really like sony as a camera brand. their sensors are great but to me they are still primarily an electronics company. I know this is purely subjective and does not make sense.

On the other hand, they seem to be a perfect companion to the fujis

  • Ergos are not perfect but Sony is constantly improving. the button placement, handgrip and built quality is good since the MKiii models and new models show that sony is constantly improving
  • has IBIS
  • many say they have a less "organic look", so this could also augment well to fuji
  • lens selection is simply outstanding. this is where fuji falls short and with sony there are tons of good 3rd party options even with AF
  • Sony has the best AF! it is probably safe to say that sony has a huge advantage here and will keep it over the next generations. though fuji is improving they are still behind and I am not confident they will close the gap. to sony could be the ideal system to tiptoe into bleeding edge AF tracking.

Panasonic

They are the underdog in the FF territory. normally I would love to give them a try but used bodies are not really cheaper than the competition. then there AF is even worse than the one from fujifilm, so I am not sure if that would pair so well.

Lens selection is also not that great if I rule out the super expensice leica lenses.

So I wonder if there are any people out here who have been asking the same question or are even running a two-system strategy??

I originally came from Nikon FF when I started using Fuji in 2013 (really??). So when I originally kept Nikon for a while I always had my eyes on other systems as well:

  • Micro Four Thirds: first the LX100 then the GX8 and then the Pen-F. Gave up on that system because IQ and colours let me down. No regrets.
  • SONY RX1, then RX1r and now RX1RII: An IQ power house, on the DX0 website still in the top 10 of all cameras. Many downsides, battery not good, but even though the RX1RII is a 2016 camera, face and also eye AF actually works! IQ of the RX1RII is sensational!
  • SONY A7III: not a bad camera but never really worked for me, felt heavy and the colours were ever so slightly off for my liking. AF excellent. REALLY good, great even.
  • SONY A7C: works on many levels, the AF is sensational, had the eye AF set to "responsive" and thought: man, this is good ... until I found out it is actually the weakest setting! Lock-on is the highest where the AF seems to have a fishhook in the person's - or animal's - eye, tagging a fishing line, never let go. Size and new colour works well for me.
  • SIGMA Contemporary and latest SONY lenses all have aperture rings! A BIG one for me as it means that the SONY's work almost the same way as I use Fuji. I hardly ever set shutter speed manually so never felt the need for a separate wheel there. Neither Nikon nor Canon have this!

So, coming to your original question: I think that SONY is not as bad a system as some make it out to be and in my case complements Fuji in an excellent way:

For all things fast-AF I now use the A7C with either the SIGMAs 35/2 or 65/2 or the Zeiss 16-35/4.

For scenarios where extremely high ISO is important I use the A7C. I mean, come on, the auto-ISO I found was set to 50-204.800. But clean I find the images to be "only" up to 12.800 or 25.600 depending on material.

For high resolution images I use the RX1RII. 43Mpx is not the highest on Earth, but quite high up there!

Thought about the Z6/7 but don't like the memory card "issue" and the fact that lenses are expensive and don't have aperture rings. Canon? Nope ... not my cup of tea, never was.

A "frame, fire - and foget" affair with the A7C

X-Pro3 static enough, no problem!

A7C + SIGMA 65/2

X-T20 + 56/1.2

Both Auckland skyline pics I have posted in full resolution. The 56/1.2 image was taken at F8 (diffraction?). Naturally the 56/1.2 has a narrower field of view, but you might still get an idea as to how FF versus APS-C renders. Fuji vs SONY ... haha.

For me (in quotation marks!!) the combo works well.

Deed

Aukland shots are quite revealing, the clarity in the Sony pic is something else.

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