Canon rumored R7. I'm calling it...

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MikeJ9116 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,995
Re: Canon rumored R7. I'm calling it...

IR1234 wrote:

MikeJ9116 wrote:

IR1234 wrote:

sportyaccordy wrote:

palombian wrote:

It is strange indeed there isn't a 7DII successor after almost 7 years.

Maybe this can be explained by Canon's efforts on getting a leading place in mirrorless again.

It seems inconceivable to me a company with 45% market share would abandon APS-C altogether. The M-system has it's place.

But they are trying hard with half-decent camera's as the 90D and M6II to push wildlife and sport shooters to RF full-frame. I am afraid the R7/M7 will be of the same kind.

OTH the low pixel density indicates the R6 is NOT the 7DII successor, and the R5 is too expensive for the average 7D(II) customer.

I'll wait until August/September.

I don't think it's strange. Look at the market. ILC sales peaked in 2012, and the majority if not all the losses have been in crop/APS-C. What made sense to do back when the first 2 7Ds were released doesn't make sense today. It's a completely different environment, which is why Canon has changed its priorities. Canon didn't push customers to FF RF; customers pushed them.

It does sound like there is demand for a 7D3 successor but if it comes it will 100% be on RF mount, IMO as it should be.

7D3 is already here, it's called the R6.

Everyone is getting totally hung up on the numbers 6 and 7. They think 6 means the 6D/6D2 and 7 means the 7D/7D2.

The numbers everyone is, and should be, getting hung up on is sensor resolution and size. The R6 puts 20mp on the target since it is a FF sensor. The hypothetical R7 puts a FF equivalent 80 MEGAPIXELS on the target relative to the R6 when using the same lens. The numbers are undeniable to show the R7 would be a far, far better camera for BIF, sports etc. where long reach and the possibility of heavy cropping is high to get the image framed as desired. The R7 gives the shooter four times the effective megapixels on target than the R6. Saying the R6 is a replacement for a R7 is just not defensible.

But what part of the R6 is the 6D2? The R6 has less MP, is much much faster, has dual slot, and has a processor in a different league (resizing second image on the fly for second card) . In fact, the R6 looks exactly what a 7D3 would be - except for the full frame sensor. That is all we are arguing about, whether a mirrorless 7D3 should have a full frame sensor.

The sensor difference you mention is the sole reason the R7 should exist. Your argument falls on its face with this point alone.

Of course it doesn't fall flat. Why did Canon build the 600 and 800s? They are giving you crop reach on a full frame body and utilizing some of the advantages of mirrorless (eg gain in the viewfinder/rear screen vs dull viewfinder).

Do you realize the two lenses you reference are non-starter lenses for professionals and enthusiasts for BIF, sports etc.? The f/11 fixed aperture and slow as a snail STM focus system these lenses are using is not for serious long telephoto shooters. These two lenses are budget lenses that are mostly for people looking to dabble in long telephoto shooting and are not some foretelling of Canon's intent toward their intentions to put out any camera, APS-C or FF.

So why is pixel density important, when you have 600 or 800mm at full frame? And dear god do not say f11. Everyone who runs both ff and aps-c knows that the exposure on a full frame is 1.5 stops better which mitigates the reduced aperture.

The only reason you guys keep on saying pixel density is because you believe to get the crop you'll have to crop the image and reduce resolution. Whereas Canon are giving you the option of a native lens at full frame.

Is this really that difficult to understand?

If you don't understand the concept of what I, and others, have been telling you by now then me explaining it again is a waste of my time.

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