Canon rumored R7. I'm calling it...

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OP Michael Thomas Mitchell Forum Pro • Posts: 12,158
Re: what about the R1 ?

Messier Object wrote:

Michael Thomas Mitchell wrote:

Messier Object wrote:

By the same ‘logic’ we might conclude that there’s no place now for an R1


Not at all. Sensor size was not the only difference between the 1D-series and the 7D-series.

The point is that, from a marketing perspective, there's really no need for a fast APS-C R3-type body. If an R3 might retail at a price point higher than an R5, it would probably be in the $4K-4.5K range. A theoretical R-series successor to the 7DII would need to be in the $2.5K range. (The original price for the 7DII was about $2K, and the R-series cameras seem to debut roughly 25% higher than their DSLR predecessors.) It is unrealistic to expect what would essentially be an APS-C version of an R3 to cost up to $2K less, especially when the entry-level full-frame RP has retails for under $1K.

At the moment, Canon has two wholly distinct product lines: an APS-C M-series and a full-frame R-series.

  • RP 1000 Entry
  • R 1800 Standard
  • R6 2600 Enthusiast
  • R5 3800 Professional high-resolution standard
  • R3 4500 Professional fast (actual price unknown)
  • R1 ???? Flagship (unknown but presumed)

While the R3 is built for speed, it likely won't have features I would expect in an R1 such as a global shutter and quad-pixel AF. An R1 will likely also feature a new large battery system. The question for the R3 is whether or not the "1D-inspired" body would also include the same large battery system. I would expect an R1 to cost well beyond 1DX-series prices.

I leave some question as to whether and/or how the R and RP models might ultimately shake out. With the RP, Canon was clearly showing a desire to have an entry-level full-frame R-series body. The specs on the RP are, accordingly, underwhelming for any enthusiast, much less professional; it's basically an R-series Rebel. The original R now seems only there to fill a price point, like an advanced Rebel. The R6 is a solid entry for enthusiasts, while the R5 and R3 are clearly aimed at the same pro-oriented crowd as the 5DIV and 7DII, albeit the latter now with a full-frame sensor; basically, affordable tools for the professional. Then, of course, the R1 as the ultimate flagship camera featuring the most advanced tech at a premium price.

Note that this line can still accommodate an ultra-high resolution body in the same spirit as the 5Ds/r. (And could still accommodate such even with a rumored medium format.)

Looking at the lineup, it's clear what DOESN'T belong here: an APS-C body. Here are several reasons why:

  1. A successor to the 7DII would feature speed in a tough body. That's what the R3 seems to offer.

a successor the the 7DII needs to have a high pixel density - at least the same as the 90D

If you can’t understand why then you will never understand why I preferred a 7DII to a 1DX (hint, size and price had nothing to do with it)

  1. With EVF, a digital "crop-mode" for extra "reach" is not only possible but far more practical. To the user, there would be virtually no difference.

the FF camera will need 82 Megapixels to equal the pixel density of a 90D. Do you really expect the R3 to have that ?

  1. No APS-C-specific R-series lenses. With the potential for crop-mode, the only advantage to an APS-C sensor body is the potential for smaller lenses. Lenses are not merely a product; they are part of an "eco-system" of products. There's no hint of any such lenses in development. And a theoretical APS-C R-series 7DII successor would be the ONLY body to be able to take advantage of them.

I don’t want smaller lenses. I have my EF lenses

I always thought the 7DII was a bargain. It was basically a very fast 5DIII/IV made possible by an APS-C sensor but costing significantly less. Those market conditions simply do not exist any longer.

Where APS-C sensor were once necessary for cost and speed, their biggest advantage now is for camera and lens size. The R3 looks more like a smaller brother to a potential R1. Thus, it may not necessarily be a direct successor to the 7DII, but it does essentially replace it.

no, you don’t seem to understand why so many wildlife photographers want an APS-C camera, so no point arguing with you


I'm not arguing that they might want one. I am only suggesting what Canon's marketing plan may be. I have always conceded that this is only my opinion and that I have no crystal ball and could be wrong. Unfortunately, you seem to want to take it personally and resort to rude attacks. I do understand what you're saying. But the 7DII is now nearly SEVEN years old, with no successor in sight and no APS-C model yet in the R line. If you know something about their market strategy other than what we see, I'm open to hear it. If you find offense to my speculations, you are not required to contribute to this thread.

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