M50 vs M6 mark ii vs 90D vs eos RP photography mainly

AdamT wrote:

Been there, done that. Holding my 70D in front of me just to get the best AF for shooting persons wasn't a great handling experience for me.

Neither is doing the same with an M6-II

- you don't have to, as you can have mirrorless AF while using the viewfinder

- If you do this, the experience will be better as it's a way lighter camera.

as the M6-II but with EFCS so no shutter shock , it uses his existing lenses without an adapter,

OP can use the existing EF(-s)lenses with adapter on M, while you can't use excellent ef-m lenses on the 90D.

there aren`t many excellent M lenses and unlikely to be any more , the 11-22 and two primes

No. There are 6 excellent lenses for M which simply can't be replaced by ef-s lenses or EF lenses on a 90D.

samyang 12mm f/2.0

canon 11-22mm

sigma 16mm f/1.4

sigma 30mm f/1.4

canon 32mm f/1.4

sigma 56mm f/1.4

There's one exception: the 32mm f/1.4 can be replaced with the EF 35mm f/1.4 USM mkII.

are about it and they`re replicated in EF / EFs many times over in Canon

So...... You can't use an adapter because the adapter is making things heavy, but the added weight an EF 35mm f/1.4 USM mkII over an ef-m 32mm f/1.4 isn't a problem? Let alone the price of the EF lens: for times as expensive as the ef-m lens.

and 3rd party

Thanks for reminding me: another disadvantage of the 90D is it will have AF inconsistency problems with Sigma glass, while the M6mkII and the RP won't have these problems.

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That's definitely not true when using Live View mode to get the AF you want. So with the 90D you get either bad handling and good AF, or good handling and bad AF (bad = no sufficient face and eye tracking across the frame).

I`d say shooting a 90D from the LCD is a lot more stable than an M6-II , neither have IBIS but the 90D has a good solid grip .

Granted. Won't be more than half a stop though.

of course there`s the EVF option of the M6II , the one area where it wins, apart from pocketability with a prime , as I say I think they ought to have made the 90D OVF-less

That's only an advantage if you're allergic to adapters

adapters make EF lenses even bigger

Needing EF and ef-s options because you can't mount ef-m lenses is the biggest factor adding size.....

. For the rest it's a disadvantage, as pretty much all ef-m primes are better options compared to their ef-s counter parts.

All three

5

of them ! (and one of those is a pretty useless slow short macro lens) --

I've excluded that one.

there are endless superb EF/EFS Primes

Not as good as those 5 lenses, except for the 2000 euro EF 35mm f/1.4 USM mkII, however, this will seriously add to the cost and the weight (and with ef-s you can't blame the adapter....)

in canon and Sigma

Sigma gives AF inconsistency with Canon DSLRs. If you want to use Sigma glass without AF inconsistency that's another reason to get a mirrorless camera over the 90D.

, the guy may not even want to use primes anyway .

That's why I also recommended the RP + 24-105mm L f/1.4 IS USM

- no compatibility with the stellar ef-m mount primes. Note: the best crop portrait lenses are amongst these ef-m primes.

Above - endless EF mount primes from bargain cheapos to full on Pro level L s . there isn't a single decent standard zoom for EF-M,

Granted. That's why I also recommended the RP + 24-105mm L f/1.4 IS USM

not even as good as the cheapo EF-S 18-55 STM - you have to use the 11-22 and crop to zoom so natively its that, primes or a clumsy setup with the adapter with an EF lens on ......

At an M camera you can at least use the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 Art adapted without AF inconsistency. With a 90D you don't have that option, so in that regard the best standard zoom option goes to M.....

- no mirrorless AF across the frame (at least not without awkward handling, where weight and size aren't a benefit at all)

they are for Stability and the 90D HAS EFCS so you`re not forced to use the wobbly E-Shutter when using lenses with IS built in

Granted, however, holding your camera stable isn't as impossible as you suggest here, and it's also only needed in a small shutter speed range.

Just giving the 90D a fair shout here for a guy with EF glass who's used to using a DSLR instead of something which handles more like a G3X with a lens mount .....

believe me there's nothing I'd Like more than Canon to make a native 15-80 F3.5-5,6 which is as good as the 11-22 and put EFCS in the M6-IIs firmware (canon cripple hammer tactics there I fear) , or better still make an M5-II (with IBIS as well ) but they haven't yet and likely won't ..... I Liked the M cams I`ve had very much but canon refuse to stop starving the system of glass and refuse to stop crippling the things and lineup

The ef-s system is at least "starving as fast" as the ef-m system.  Canon released the 32mm, and Sigma released the 16+30+56mm f/1.4 primes for the ef-m system after the last ef-s release of an ef-s lens.