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If I were to buy an a6100 for urbexing, what wide angle (AF) lens would people recommend. I'd like something in the equivalent range of about 16mm to 35mm (in 35mm terms) so I guess maybe 10-24mm on APS-C?

Suggestions? I'd like to keep the cost low so I'm willing to compromise on sharpness for cost. Lens speed isn't a concern either as this is going to be for urbex, and usually will be shooting at higher f-stops like f/4 or higher.
 
sirhawkeye64 said:
If I were to buy an a6100 for urbexing, what wide angle (AF) lens would people recommend. I'd like something in the equivalent range of about 16mm to 35mm (in 35mm terms) so I guess maybe 10-24mm on APS-C?

Suggestions? I'd like to keep the cost low so I'm willing to compromise on sharpness for cost. Lens speed isn't a concern either as this is going to be for urbex, and usually will be shooting at higher f-stops like f/4 or higher.
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Your obvious choice should be Sony's APS-C 10-18mm zoom lens.

Sony also has a 12-24mm f/4 zoom lens, for FF, this could also fit your needs.

Alternatively, you could opt for one of the 10mm (CV) or 12mm (Touit) WA lenses and then pick a zoom lens that starts at 16mm - there are several choices for APS-C here, both with Sony and third parties (Laowa).

Pricewise, and size-wise, the 10-18mm will be your cheapest solution.
 
sirhawkeye64 said:
If I were to buy an a6100 for urbexing, what wide angle (AF) lens would people recommend. I'd like something in the equivalent range of about 16mm to 35mm (in 35mm terms) so I guess maybe 10-24mm on APS-C?

Suggestions? I'd like to keep the cost low so I'm willing to compromise on sharpness for cost. Lens speed isn't a concern either as this is going to be for urbex, and usually will be shooting at higher f-stops like f/4 or higher.
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Unfortunately no cheap native options in Sony apsc world, as suggested above, the only options are:

$798 apsc zoom

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$1,773 FF zoom

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This is the reason why I so far have none. You can adapt from other systems though.
 
Martin_99 said:
sirhawkeye64 said:
If I were to buy an a6100 for urbexing, what wide angle (AF) lens would people recommend. I'd like something in the equivalent range of about 16mm to 35mm (in 35mm terms) so I guess maybe 10-24mm on APS-C?

Suggestions? I'd like to keep the cost low so I'm willing to compromise on sharpness for cost. Lens speed isn't a concern either as this is going to be for urbex, and usually will be shooting at higher f-stops like f/4 or higher.
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Unfortunately no cheap native options in Sony apsc world, as suggested above, the only options are:

$798 apsc zoom

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=sony 10-18&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma

$1,773 FF zoom

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1338517-REG/sony_sel1224g_fe_12_24mm_f_4_g.html

This is the reason why I so far have none. You can adapt from other systems though.
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Yeah I'm sort of realizing that. Maybe I'll look into the Z system again for a "cheap" camera (like a Z50 with the kit lens, which is close to what the a6100 costs anyway, but I could use my 14-30 on it I guess).
 
redfalcon said:
It's the one missing piece to the Sony crop puzzle.... an ultra wide 2.8 zoom for crop. Hoping Tamron or Sigma will help us out sometime this year.
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Agree, except I would prefer compact f4 or f4-5.6 lens with OSS instead. For wide angle I mostly use f5.6-11 anyway.
 
Perhaps get a Canon EF-M, with the 11-22 zoom? That combination is affordable. 11 is not extremely wide but a full-frame equivalent of 17.5mm to 35mm is not bad.

The lens seems to be sharp.
 
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Are you looking only for a zoom lens?
 
Martin_99 said:
redfalcon said:
It's the one missing piece to the Sony crop puzzle.... an ultra wide 2.8 zoom for crop. Hoping Tamron or Sigma will help us out sometime this year.
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Agree, except I would prefer compact f4 or f4-5.6 lens with OSS instead. For wide angle I mostly use f5.6-11 anyway.
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Yeah I'm the same... when shooting wide (which is usually architecture or landscape) I'm at f/8 or f/11 so I don't really need a fast lens (and would actaully prefer a slower one, like an f/4 for size/weight reasons).
 
If you'd consider primes, the samyang 12mm f2 is a nice option. Cheap, sharp, compact, fast and the focal length is one of the best ultra wide angle focal lengths. MF is not an issue at that focal length from my experience
 
In my experience, primes are more resistant to being jounced around in a camera bag and dropped. Some people think they give better VFM in iq, too.

For the local equivalent of £700, you could get two Sigma F1.4 AF primes, 16mm and 30mm. I am too old to know what "urbexing" means, but listened to my Latin teachers enough to guess it's something to do with cities.

So, if the answer doesn't have to be a zoom ....
 
geopapa said:
If you'd consider primes, the samyang 12mm f2 is a nice option. Cheap, sharp, compact, fast and the focal length is one of the best ultra wide angle focal lengths. MF is not an issue at that focal length from my experience
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Yeah I was considering that even though they are MF (but with focus peaking, probably not a problem).
 
Faced with the cost of native options, I adapted a Canon EF-S 10-18/4.5-5.6 IS STM ($160 used) with a Metabones Smart Adapter ($260 used). The Viltrox IV adapter ($140 new) is also said to work with this lens.

Regards,

Alan
 
geopapa said:
If you'd consider primes, the samyang 12mm f2 is a nice option. Cheap, sharp, compact, fast and the focal length is one of the best ultra wide angle focal lengths. MF is not an issue at that focal length from my experience
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Everyone say that, but I tried 12f2...and it was issue for me. Maybe I didn't give it enough time, but MF slowed me too much with many OoF shots. I would probably rather give a try used Sony 10-18f4 with AF, OSS and flexibility of a zoom.
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sirhawkeye64 said:
If I were to buy an a6100 for urbexing, what wide angle (AF) lens would people recommend. I'd like something in the equivalent range of about 16mm to 35mm (in 35mm terms) so I guess maybe 10-24mm on APS-C?

Suggestions? I'd like to keep the cost low so I'm willing to compromise on sharpness for cost. Lens speed isn't a concern either as this is going to be for urbex, and usually will be shooting at higher f-stops like f/4 or higher.
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As other said there is the Canon 10-18 that is similar in sharpness but much less expensive. I have one coupled to mc11. The combo cost about 300 bucks used. I have also the Canon 55-250 that is also cheap and optically quite good
 
A 1018/4 used is affordable. It is not as sharp as current zooms but it has great color rendition, is quite good at 10mm, has OSS so you can still stop down to f5.6 in low light.
 
It might sound like I'm minding your business, but why wouldn't you use your Z7 seeing as you already have a 14-30 for it? Seems like an ideal combo of focal range and resolution.

I would assume it's about the total value of the kit, not ideal in... some situations.

The cheapest option if you are willing to deal with MF, no zoom and no OSS is the 12mm Samyang, that's what I carry. It's sharp enough to allow for cropping, very low distortion, but not wide enough... so sometimes taking a pano is the only option.

It also has some CAs in extreme conditions but nothing too bad.

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Martin_99 said:
geopapa said:
If you'd consider primes, the samyang 12mm f2 is a nice option. Cheap, sharp, compact, fast and the focal length is one of the best ultra wide angle focal lengths. MF is not an issue at that focal length from my experience
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Everyone say that, but I tried 12f2...and it was issue for me. Maybe I didn't give it enough time, but MF slowed me too much with many OoF shots. I would probably rather give a try used Sony 10-18f4 with AF, OSS and flexibility of a zoom.
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This was my exact experience. After using the Samy 12/2 for a year or two I sold. Just couldn't get in the groove with MF. I tried other lenses but settled on the 10-18 and will park it there.
 
sirhawkeye64 said:
Yeah I was considering that even though they are MF (but with focus peaking, probably not a problem).
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I would tell you to try, but I find much more difficult to use focus by wire, while I have no issues with real manual lenses (I also shoot a 7 Artisans 55 f1.4, only for portraits).

After assigning the back button for punch in zoom with the lever down, it was all downhill, but double tapping the back LCD where you want to magnify also works great.

Peaking works better with shallow DOF, like the 55 f1.4, while punch in zoom works better with wide angles (at least for me), so I turn it on with the 7A lens and off with the Samyang.

If the subject is moving or uncooperative I will give up from the start though.
 
geopapa said:
If you'd consider primes, the samyang 12mm f2 is a nice option. Cheap, sharp, compact, fast and the focal length is one of the best ultra wide angle focal lengths. MF is not an issue at that focal length from my experience
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I second this. This IS the budget option, and it's also sharp and bright. Manual Focus isn't difficult, or in good light just set it at hyperfocal distance at f8 and don't focus it at all and your pictures will be sharp.
 
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