Photoshop 5.0 software for the D850

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Antal I Kozma
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Re: DXO Photolab link to website

FrankG wrote:

Antal I Kozma wrote:

dave gaines wrote:

FrankG wrote:

... DXO Photolab 4 elite for the RAW processing. ... the best and most effective Noise Reduction (with DeepPrime) currently availble. Free 30 day trial can be downloaded. Purchase outright, no subscription involved.

I use nothing else for 99.9% of my D850 NEF files. ...


Thanks Frank,

I would prefer to work with one program for all of my editing.

Here's a link to DxO Photolab4:

DxO PhotoLab 4 - New Features

Hi to all, thanks for the link. I downloaded the trial version, always curious to try out new software. Although I am fairly much set and satisfied with my workflow consisting of PhotoNinja for RAW conversion and CS6 combined with ON1 PhotoRAW for final processing of the TIFFs.

Well, I found DXO Photolab 4 not to my liking. I used it to convert about a couple of dozen images of recently photographed winter scenes. The program felt a bit over complicated, some things overly amateurish some things just over complicated and alien.

Sounds like you didn't really get into using it and exploring it's features much, if at all. Which is a pity.

I didn't feel that it was a refined program working in smooth increments.

Really? How so?

The RAW to TIFF conversions turned out fine but I concluded that I can work a cleaner and more efficient way with PhotoNinja to have my RAW files converted to TIFFs.

I used to use PhotoNinja a lot. Got rather fed up waiting for them to release updates. Had some quite nice features and the virtue of being very quick. I find it very inferior to DXO for refinement of processing, especially detail retention with NR for High ISO files.

AI or not AI, it seems like the current buzz word to recruit new buyers, the program felt too clumsy to me. Yes I know, people can get used to a certain program and operate it naturally after a while.

I find it very easy to use. I think when encountering any "new" software that is unfamiliar there is always going to be a learning curve at first. A little perseverence will bring rewards.

However, to me the end result was no magic, files were not any better than TIFFs from PhotoNinja with which I am intimately familiar with.

Probably depends on the type of files worked with. If you don't need the benefits of the best NR available for High ISO files then perhaps you won't notice the improvements offered by DXO quite so much. However I think many will appreciate this software much more after working with it for a while and gradually discovering what they can do with it. It's really quite powerful.


Hi Frank,

As I said, others may find DxO the solution for their RAW processing. I do not like it and it is just as personal as others liking it. I am not putting the software down for the sake of putting it down. It just doesn't feel right and good for me, that is all.

As of best noise reduction? Well, a couple of notes related to this. First is our way of photographing. Under what circumstances and how much noise our files contain? Shooting experience may play into the "noise behaviour" of the files we deal with.

Second, you may recall that PhotoNinja is evolved from NoiseNinja, the "best noise reduction software" of its kind at the time. I've put the best into quotation marks to indicate that "being the best" is always contested. However, PhotoNinja has a very good noise reduction capability built on its long time experience with the subject.

Third, DxO is not the only one claiming to be the best in AI noise reduction. Topaz Lab's DeNoise AI also claims the title. I do use it as a plug in within PS6 as a secondary noise reduction tool. Just to check how much noise Topaz can find in the TIFFs that PhotoNinja churned out. In most cases it doesn't find any noise. When it does it is minimal and I put that down to a different approach as opposed to a failure by PhotoNinja. I might not be right on this latter......  

So, who is right? Who is "the best", apart from marketing claims? I have no doubt that all three, DxO, Topaz and Ninja are good for a skilled photographer to create decent end products. "The best"????? I thing none of these are magically outstanding over the other two. They all do the job.

So from here on it is a personal choice, getting used to, liking the program for various reasons, etc........ After the two dozen files I converted with DxO I didn't feel the "vibe" that it was superior in a way that would make me to adopt it. Yes, I could;d make myself to get used to it. However, why would I when it didn't jump out at me with its interface and the way it is structured.

As of "less refinement" I felt that its sliders were not as smooth and gradational as the one from PhotoNinja, Topaz or ON1 PhotoRaw. I felt it was too coarse, a bit on the amateurish side. I felt the interface was a mix between catering to beginners and more advanced shooters. However, I must point it out that these are my own feelings. Others might feel 180º differently and I do not question them on that.

Anyhow, be assured that I am not here to put down DxO, I believe I expressed it well that these are my personal thoughts and feelings. I am not an authority on evaluating these programs on a scientifically sound level. I simply talk as a photographer of many decades and one who is into digital file processing since Photoshop 1.5, that was quite some time ago.... 

All the best, AIK

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