24-70 F4 S isn't a Pro lens? Nonsense!

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Okay, so the header is a bit click-baity! And outside of a few whackos, like that "Angry Photographer" unmasked-Vader type on Youtube, we all know this lens is excellent.

But let me hammer it home: The 24-70 F4 S easily bests my "pro" 24-70 2.8G and VR versions. How does it do this?

1) Sharp and sharper, right to the edge of the frame.

2) Color is pure with virtually no optical artifacts of any kind. Gobs of micro contrast.

3) Small and lightweight.

4) Bokeh is very good for an F4 lens.

I really have no need of the 2.8 version. A fast prime or two will give me more options and I already own those.

The bundled price is a great deal; less so if you buy it alone.

Robert

Robert
 
Okay, so the header is a bit click-baity! And outside of a few whackos, like that "Angry Photographer" unmasked-Vader type on Youtube, we all know this lens is excellent.

But let me hammer it home: The 24-70 F4 S easily bests my "pro" 24-70 2.8G and VR versions. How does it do this?

1) Sharp and sharper, right to the edge of the frame.

2) Color is pure with virtually no optical artifacts of any kind. Gobs of micro contrast.

3) Small and lightweight.

4) Bokeh is very good for an F4 lens.

I really have no need of the 2.8 version. A fast prime or two will give me more options and I already own those.

The bundled price is a great deal; less so if you buy it alone.

Robert

Robert

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I second that, i really didn't need/use my 24-70 f2.8 as I'm really happy with the results of the f4 that came with my z6 ii.
 
I also like it a lot - on my Z6 it has same IQ as the 24-70 f2.8G and it is so light .

I also tested the 24-70 f2.8 S lens - a bit better - although hardly noticeable in everday Z6 usage and for me not that much to justify the additional weight. So I am still shooting mainly with the f4 .

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I agree with everything you've said about the f4. It's not a kit lens in the traditional sense, nor a consumer lens, but a compact f4 pro lens
I really have no need of the 2.8 version. A fast prime or two will give me more options and I already own those.
But....and I thought the same...the problem with the 2.8S is that it is a touch better than the f4 - there's something in tone/contrast/colors that's even nicer, plus it is a stop faster of course, plus it's meaningfully lighter and smaller and better than any F mount 24-70 2.8, which, with the lighter, smaller Z body, transforms the total package convenience from 'carry only when you need it' to 'carry fX body and 2.8 zoom more generally'

The f4 is great, and there is no imperative to go to the f2.8 - but if your budget permits it as a mild indulgence, I suspect you will not regret it......
 
Okay, so the header is a bit click-baity! And outside of a few whackos, like that "Angry Photographer" unmasked-Vader type on Youtube, we all know this lens is excellent.

But let me hammer it home: The 24-70 F4 S easily bests my "pro" 24-70 2.8G and VR versions. How does it do this?

1) Sharp and sharper, right to the edge of the frame.

2) Color is pure with virtually no optical artifacts of any kind. Gobs of micro contrast.

3) Small and lightweight.

4) Bokeh is very good for an F4 lens.
I get better IQ from the 24-70/2.8.



 
I gave my Nikon 24-7F2.8VR to my nephew. I don’t miss it. It was a wonderful lens but too heavy for me.

I really the 24-70S on my Z6, very sharp and focus speed is fast..When I need a faster shutter speed I use 50mm 1.8.

Richard
 
Okay, so the header is a bit click-baity! And outside of a few whackos, like that "Angry Photographer" unmasked-Vader type on Youtube, we all know this lens is excellent.

But let me hammer it home: The 24-70 F4 S easily bests my "pro" 24-70 2.8G and VR versions. How does it do this?

1) Sharp and sharper, right to the edge of the frame.

2) Color is pure with virtually no optical artifacts of any kind. Gobs of micro contrast.

3) Small and lightweight.

4) Bokeh is very good for an F4 lens.
I get better IQ from the 24-70/2.8.

https://blog.kasson.com/nikon-z6-7/nikon-24-70-2-8-24-70-4-on-z7-24-mm/

https://blog.kasson.com/nikon-z6-7/nikon-24-70-2-8-24-70-4-on-z7-35-mm/

https://blog.kasson.com/nikon-z6-7/nikon-24-70-2-8-24-70-4-on-z7-70-mm/
Based on my observations and looking at your tests, the only reason I'd get the 2.8 is for the faster glass. The IQ is a wash in all practical terms.

I still may pick up the 2.8 S, but I have no doubt that I'll end up using the F4 more often.

Robert
 
Okay, so the header is a bit click-baity! And outside of a few whackos, like that "Angry Photographer" unmasked-Vader type on Youtube, we all know this lens is excellent.

But let me hammer it home: The 24-70 F4 S easily bests my "pro" 24-70 2.8G and VR versions. How does it do this?

1) Sharp and sharper, right to the edge of the frame.

2) Color is pure with virtually no optical artifacts of any kind. Gobs of micro contrast.

3) Small and lightweight.

4) Bokeh is very good for an F4 lens.
I get better IQ from the 24-70/2.8.

https://blog.kasson.com/nikon-z6-7/nikon-24-70-2-8-24-70-4-on-z7-24-mm/

https://blog.kasson.com/nikon-z6-7/nikon-24-70-2-8-24-70-4-on-z7-35-mm/

https://blog.kasson.com/nikon-z6-7/nikon-24-70-2-8-24-70-4-on-z7-70-mm/
Based on my observations and looking at your tests, the only reason I'd get the 2.8 is for the faster glass. The IQ is a wash in all practical terms.

I still may pick up the 2.8 S, but I have no doubt that I'll end up using the F4 more often.
Sure. The 24-70/2.8 is the best such lens I've tested. The 24-70/4 is the best such lens I've tested.

In order to get a big step up in that zoom range, you need to go to a bigger sensor:




Jim
 
I think if you're a pro PJ or event shooter, you'll go for the f/2.8 version. It's a stop faster, a bit sharper, and the only downside is the weight, since somebody else is probably buying your gear, and if you're writing your own checks, one shot that you'll get because it needs f/2.8 could pay for the difference in price.

jim
 
I think if you're a pro PJ or event shooter, you'll go for the f/2.8 version. It's a stop faster, a bit sharper, and the only downside is the weight, since somebody else is probably buying your gear, and if you're writing your own checks, one shot that you'll get because it needs f/2.8 could pay for the difference in price.

jim
My 2 cents, for what its worth

I've never really loved the 24 - 70 as a focal length, even the F mount. But it's so damn practical, especially for event shooters

What I've found though is that for those candid group pictures, I'm almost always shooting at f 4 or 5.6 to get everyone in focus, and frankly not really expecting a fine art image.

So I'm going to keep the slower lens which works just fine for that type of image, and save the cash for some of the faster primes.
 
I think if you're a pro PJ or event shooter, you'll go for the f/2.8 version. It's a stop faster, a bit sharper, and the only downside is the weight, since somebody else is probably buying your gear, and if you're writing your own checks, one shot that you'll get because it needs f/2.8 could pay for the difference in price.

jim
My 2 cents, for what its worth

I've never really loved the 24 - 70 as a focal length, even the F mount. But it's so damn practical, especially for event shooters

What I've found though is that for those candid group pictures, I'm almost always shooting at f 4 or 5.6 to get everyone in focus, and frankly not really expecting a fine art image.

So I'm going to keep the slower lens which works just fine for that type of image, and save the cash for some of the faster primes.
Well, now we've heard from a pro. I gave my f/4 away, but I've never sold an image made with a 24-70.

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Its a fantastic lens. I no longer have it unfortunately because I do actually require the 2.8 version and I'm not a collector. But I brought it and the Z6 on a trip to the hottest place on earth (the Danakil Depression in northern Ethiopia) in Feb of 2019. It was the perfect kit for the trip. My hydration pack doubled as camera bag and it was only just barely able to fit the Z6 and 24-70 f/4. It's what I used for 99% of the trip. It would not have been do-able with my old D850 and 24-70 2.8VR. At all.






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I think if you're a pro PJ or event shooter, you'll go for the f/2.8 version. It's a stop faster, a bit sharper, and the only downside is the weight, since somebody else is probably buying your gear, and if you're writing your own checks, one shot that you'll get because it needs f/2.8 could pay for the difference in price.

jim
My 2 cents, for what its worth

I've never really loved the 24 - 70 as a focal length, even the F mount. But it's so damn practical, especially for event shooters

What I've found though is that for those candid group pictures, I'm almost always shooting at f 4 or 5.6 to get everyone in focus, and frankly not really expecting a fine art image.

So I'm going to keep the slower lens which works just fine for that type of image, and save the cash for some of the faster primes.


Pre-Pandemic I shot some events and, as others mentioned, I rarely shot below F4 anyway with my 24-70 2.8. In fact, at another indoor event I did very well with my 24-85G VR on the D850.

But for some work there's no arguing the benefit of the faster glass.

My bottom line is that the F4 S is pretty fantastic optical engineering. Same goes for the 14-30 F4 S (a lens where faster glass would never do me any good).

Nikon is knocking out some great glass.

Robert
 
I think if you're a pro PJ or event shooter, you'll go for the f/2.8 version. It's a stop faster, a bit sharper, and the only downside is the weight, since somebody else is probably buying your gear, and if you're writing your own checks, one shot that you'll get because it needs f/2.8 could pay for the difference in price.

jim
I think the reasons to go for the f/2.8 lens are compromising a stop and carrying just that instead of a bag of f/1.8 primes and using the custom lens button and ring. IQ is splitting hairs so I wouldn't do it for that.

Otherwise I am also currently using the f/4 lens with f/1.8 primes when needed.
 
Spot on - I sold my 24-70 G 2.8 after I got the Z f4

Apart from anything else the 2.8 needed too much focus tweaking.

Haven't missed it even in low light.
 
I agree. Although they have their place tests like that don't really cover real world usage.

The f4 has done fine for pro work for me in a very compact package.

I'm sure the 2.8 is that bit "better" but not enough at the moment for me to outweigh (sic) the f4 as an overall package.
 
The 24-70 F4 S is great and the 2.8 is Top

I no longer have it because I now have the 2.8 but I gave the 24-70 F4 S to my father so it remains in the family.:-)
 
Exactly what I have done!
 
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