Canon RF 50mm f/1.8 pancake?

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thunder storm Senior Member • Posts: 6,052
Re: Canon RF 50mm f/1.8 pancake?

sportyaccordy wrote:

thunder storm wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

thunder storm wrote:

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juanmaasecas wrote:

Jx9 wrote:

https://www.canonwatch.com/this-is-the-canon-rf-50mm-f-1-8-stm-the-nifty-fifty-for-the-eos-r/

Wow it's tiny! But no IS it seems...

And no Macro. This cheapo lens is precursor to the next entry-level R body (along with that rumored slow standard zoom).

I don’t need either feature, but no IS means Canon is nudging people toward IBIS bodies. Or, could all of the future R’s perhaps have IBIS? Or is Canon just trying to maximize R5/R6 sales while they can.

I do hope this lens focuses faster than the new RF 85/2. Personally I’d rather be spending $600+ for a good 50/1.4 USM with ultra-quick AF.

It's becoming the problem of RF primes: no fast focusing options. It's either a budget stm or a too large elements L.

That's what I'm seeing too. I'd really like a very fast 50 and a fast 85 for my sports (the RF 35 should be adequate).

Has anybody here used the RF 50/1.2L + R5 for fast-moving sports? Is the 50L’s AF fast enough?

R2

I recommend you watch the review of Christopher Frost for this, and no, it isn't very promising.

The more i think about it the more i'm starting to believe i've bought the best lens i could right away, and all i need is the R5 to get more sticky AF tracking.

Yeah, looks like your Sigma 50mm Art may be in my future.

R2

For the same reason i might not replace it ever by the Canon RF 50mm f/1.2 USM. At that price it gotta be perfect, and slower AF isn't (for me). And if that one won't ever come there's a reason to keep the Samyang 50mm f/1.2. It might - with some practice - even work as good as a slow AF lens when paired with a body with stellar eye confirmation. And that whole MF + focus assist is fun. I like to do that. It's reminds me of my first body, a rangefinder.

OTOH: the thing is big and heavy. And it won't ever be as good as a fast AF lens for portraits. I doubt if it will always make it to the bag.....

The RF 85mm f/2.0 IS stm is a nice lens, but again, it's not good enough for portraits for me..... and that was the main reason to get it.

What do you think? Should I return both? It would get me 1350 euro closer to the R5. And if I face the fact i have sell the 50-100 f/1.8 too, all together it becomes a serious step closer to the R5.

The Samyang 50mm is fun to shoot with. The RF 85mm f/2.0 IS stm is so so. And if the bokeh is harsh, at the end of the day i will just use the 70mm@f/2.8 of my EF 24-70mm f/2.8 mkII, as i need a light weight portrait lens to improve on that bokeh.

I find it hard to make up my mind with all these less than perfect options...... I keep going in circles. Now i start doubting if the RF 50mm f/1.2 would be too slow for my shooting, or if it could be responsive enough for me......................

Tell me more about the Samyang 50/1.2. I can't stop thinking about it. I know the IQ and rendering are amazing. I think I can deal with the weight. What is the shooting experience like? What focus assist tools do you use? I'm torn between that and the Zeiss 2/50 Makro. I might not bother with the RF 50 1.8 at all.

At wider apertures its better than the Sigma f/1.4 Art. The Art is crazy sharp from f/2.0 and very usable at f/1.8, whereas f/1.4 is so so. The Samyang f/1.2 is crazy sharp from f/1.4 and still very good wide open. Samyang at f/1.2 is better than the Sigma Art at f/1.8.

The Samyang doesn't like very close focusing distances so much. It shines at a bit longer distances. I've posted some pics here: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4523239?page=3#forum-post-64473779

In the EXIF you see "Canon EF 50mm f/1.2 USM". That's a trick of Samyang to benefit from the in camera lens corrections of that lens (I use it only to correct (somewhat) for vignetting.

The focus assist of the R (the thing with the 2 grey triangles becoming one green one) is nice to get focus confirmation. You will even get eye focus confirmation: the camera finds and tracks the eye, while the focus assist tells you if that eye is in focus. It only suffers from the same problems as the R does with AF too: flipping to other faces and eyes, loosing the eye even when a face turns away slightly, saying it's in focus at very long distances while it's obviously not, etc.  On rare occasions it gets confused a bit more because "it waits for your hunting" to find focus, while the camera can't give you the command to let the lens hunt (I hope you get what i mean here....).

A expect the lens to give a more flawless experience on the R5. That body is way more intelligent with tracking the (right) eye, and that will also help with eye focus confirmation. With a bit of practice you might even learn how much focus throw is needed at certain "distances between 2 grey traingles", making it kind of usable for candid portraits, as long as you can accept you'll miss some shots because you will never be as fast as good AF.

I got mine for 700 euro from the UK. For the IQ that's a bargain.

Look, i don't need this lens. It's not the most practical solution. But it's a lot of fun! And the lens gives more resolution rather than a whole lot of contrast. That can be a good thing. I'm finding the RF 85mm f/2.0 IS stm might give a stronger high ISO noise appearance (could be perception) compared to other lenses at the same ISO settings. Contrast is nice for the overall look, but for true pixel peepers (yes I'm an amateur) it's not a substitute for sharpness, and it might even hurt sharpness a bit, leave alone bokeh.

About bokeh: the Samyang performs best wide open. The aperture blades aren't great for giving round bokeh balls. Fortunately you can use it wide open without hesitation as far as IQ goes. However, if you want to stop down often you might want something else (which makes sense anyway, as that other lens will often have AF and will be a whole lot lighter   (however, it's another 50mm in your bag.... bringing you close to 2Kg of 50mm in your bag......(unless you buy that pancake   ))).

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