RP or M6 mk II

nnowak wrote:

thunder storm wrote:

MAC wrote:

nnowak wrote:

Until they are not.

M system without the sigma 56 and 16 is a non-starter imo.

And I have the EF 24 F2.8 IS for my RP which is small and has 4 stop IS and gives me no desire for the siggy 16

And I'l be getting the RF 85 F2 IS so I'll not be getting the siggy 56, even if the M5II with IBIS comes out

so one invests in these siggys and then a new m body comes out and there is a monkey wrench thrown in - been there, hate it, never again if I can avoid it

With RF lenses Canon is providing in-body firmware updates for the RF lenses. One has the security and confidence of Canon as the first part mfg. RF for me is forever gear.

In my opinion, Canon does not care about supporting sigma sales and will monkey wrench sigma without a blink of the eye

There's a risk, but the risk there won't ever be a new M 32Mp flagship with integrated viewfinder and IBIS is a bigger risk if you ask me.

For full frame: it works with bodies up to the R5. So yeah, there's a risk compatibility will be broken with the successor of the R5. But if you and I are able to afford the R5 after 4 or 5 years, and will shooting it for 5 years more we're talking about 9 or 10 years. Yes, lenses can live for 20 years, but they aren't up to date for 20 years. After 10 years there will be better options again.

Again: Canon needs Sigma, as without Sigma Sony becomes too attractive. Note: there's not a single native f/1.4 prime from Canon for the RF-mount. Coincidence? Canon needs Sigma. You can't be attractive with native f/1.2 primes and f/2.0 zooms only.

Look at Saab: if you only do the premium stuff you will go bankrupt. You need a package varying from Porsche to Skoda. Canon does both the Porsche part of the RF primes (f/1.2) and the Skoda part (f/1.8 or f/2.0), but they simply leave the Volkswagen/Seat part of the primes to Sigma. The competition with Sony and others simply dictates Canon can't play the games of yesterday anymore without hurting themselves, at least not as rough as they used to do.

You do realize that Canon makes several EF lenses that are f/1.4?

Only the 35mm f/1.4 mkII is on par with the Sigma Art line, but it's too expensive  (Actually the Canon is a bit better than the Sigma 35mm f/1.4, as this is an Art lens getting a bit outdated recently). The Canon  50mm options are garbage. The 50mm stm is value for money, but only for the money. The 50mm f/1.4 is a joke. The 50mm f/1.2 has character, but isn't sharp. The 85mm IS is disappointing (lots of fringing) and too expensive for what it is. There's no 105, no 40, no 28. The 135 is outdated and f/2.0 in stead of f/1.8. So yes, Canon needs the Art line of primes for Sigma to stay attractive.

Most people adapting EF glass to RF already own that EF glass. Do you really think there is some massive contingent of R5 buyers that specifically want f/1.4 primes and are buying Sigma lenses to adapt?

Canon at least needs to have options available to those who want, as a system without very good performing f/1.4 primes can't be considered as complete enough to be attractive enough when competing with all the lenses being fully compatible with Sony cameras.

Aside from the 50mm f/1.4, the rest of the Canon f/1.4 primes are some of the best around.

The 35mm mkII is (although Tamron has a better and more affordable option recently). The rest is not.