Alastair Norcross wrote:
As a few others have said, it comes down to what lenses you get and like to use. The RP has a full frame sensor, but a fairly mediocre one by current standards. The M6II has the best crop sensor currently available. The noise advantage of full frame sensors, comparing equivalent generations is about 1 1/3 stops (the FF sensor has about 2 1/2 times the light gathering area of the crop sensor, which translates to about 1 1/3 stops). But in the case of the RP versus the M6II, the advantage is a bit under one stop, closer to 2/3. What this means is that, to get the full frame advantage with the RP over the M6II, you need to use lenses with similar apertures. If you compare the Sigma 56 F1.4 on the M6II against a full frame 85 F2 or F1.8, you won't see any advantage on the RP at all.
I continually feel the need to correct you on the "at all" statement. The new RF 85 f2 IS HAS 1) - Image stabilization (the siggy 56 does not), 2) the RF lens has a control ring (the siggy 56 does not), 3) the RF lens takes advantage of the 1 stop better high iso difference, and 4) the RF lens can be shot at lower shutter speeds, and 5) the RF lens has macro capability -- therefore the "at all" statement will not hold up.
But if you mount an 85 F1.4 or F1.2 on the RP, you'll get close to that extra stop (or a bit more in the case of the F1.2). With primes, you'll need big, heavy, and expensive to get the full frame advantage with the RP.
my RP was $850. The RF 85 F2 IS with control ring is $599 and shoul arrive in November. These are not that big and expensive as you make them out to be
And even to get equivalent performance, you're looking at bigger, heavier, and more expensive, just not by as much. As others have pointed out, it's with (some) zooms that you'll likely see an advantage with the RP, albeit at a size and cost. If you're the kind of shooter who likes to shoot a lot, or even mostly, with a zoom or two, the RF 24-105L will be great, and has no M equivalent.
this is one of many reasons I went with RP + RF 24-105 L
I had the original 24-105L for many years, and used it more than any other of my lenses until it finally broke. It was a fine lens, and from everything I've read, the RF version is better.
yes, with more edge to edge sharpess, no CA, nano focus, and control ring the RF is much better, as Dustin Abbott also points out, it is the best 24-105 ever made
Notice, though, that for pure quality of results, various primes on the M6II will actually give better results at a lot of the focal length settings of the RF zoom.
different animals
But at the expense of convenience. In terms of performance, the M6II has it all over the RP. It's much faster. You can actually use it as a sports camera, with its 14fps burst speed. Even the lower speed of 7fps, which I use more often, is faster than the RP. In terms of AF performance, the RP is, at best, a match for the M6II,
AF is a match
and according to some reports not even that.
The bottom line is that, if you like shooting with primes, and are prepared to spend a lot on the excellent, but bigger and heavier, RF lenses, you can see an advantage with the RP. Also, if you mostly like to shoot with an all-purpose zoom, you'll see an advantage, albeit at a size and weight cost (and actual cost), with the RP and RF 24-105.
balanced view
If you like primes, and would mostly be shooting with F2 or F1.8 full frame primes, you'll get equally good results with the various EF-M primes (most of which are F1.4), at a size, weight, and money saving.
well above - I point out 5 advantages of the RF 85 F2 IS with control ring has over the non IS siggy 56
and I didn't even bring up the EVF issues with flash -- add that
From my perspective, I've realized that I would see no advantage at all to getting an RP, and considerable disadvantages. I've come to the financially painful conclusion that it's simply not worth it for me to get an R camera until I can afford the R5.
I'm hoping there are less expensive releases vs getting an R5
I hope to do that at some point, because it looks like it's a simply amazing camera. I comfort myself right now with the consideration that I would just be frustrated to have such a camera with far fewer photographic opportunities, because of the pandemic. Most of my shooting is of other people, either in action settings (mostly runners) or informal portrait settings. Right now, I'm mostly avoiding other people, for obvious reasons.in my opinion the R6 is for people shooting
and the R5 is better if your focus is on wildlife and big poster size prints of landscapes
