# Canon’s new 600mm and 800mm lenses

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Re: DoF of Canon’s new 600mm and 800mm lenses
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alanr0 wrote:

bclaff wrote:

bclaff wrote:

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Too bad I can't model this lens; I'll look for something similar.

Alan,

This lens also focuses without affecting the diaphragm to image plane distance.

At infinity focus

At close focus

At infinity focal length length is 776mm and P'D/PD = 33.21mm/137.10mm=0.24
At close focus focal length is 541mm and P'D/PD = 31.23mm/138.45mm=0.23

Since we compute DOF on-axis we should simply use the on-axis pupil magnifications of 0.24 and 0.19 respectively. (The difference is due to curvature of the pupils).

Not so much of a change in pupil magnification as I expected, but a change.
Substantial change in focal length.

Thanks Bill.

Note that with this lens fully open (f/5.66), at close focus it is the front element, rather than S1 which forms the system stop.

Stopped down to f/6.3, S1 becomes the limiting aperture throughout the focus range, and the exit pupil diameter P'D is 29.6 mm at both focus settings.

Thanks for pointing that out. It was actually R9 (L14) that was limiting it.
I adjusted the diameters to resolve it. This makes sense because I would expect R14/R15 to be the "choke" point.
This patent, like most, does not have effective diameters so I normally just try to match the patent figure. But patent figures also often depart from a perfect 1:1 aspect ratio so this adjustment is not that unusual.

I get 33.21mm as the exit pupil at both infinity and closest focus so I wonder where 29.6mm came from.

Revised close focus

With the working f-number fixed,

Not quite. If you toggle between the two scenarios while zoomed in close to the focal point you'll see the angle changes slightly.

there is a small dependence of near and far focus distances on pupil magnification, due to the image-space asymmetry.

I don't think it's small.

However, the total depth of field (far-near distance) is independent of pupil magnification.

I don't think so.

See my equations 18, 19 here, or in more detail here.

I'm curious, what do you get for near and far focus for a circle of confusion of 0.29mm at closest focus?
(I have numbers from the ray trace and I'm curious to see if there is agreement.)

You are quite careful in your work and usually correct so I wonder why we're not lined up on this. Perhaps there's a misunderstanding.

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