Waiting for the successor to M5

MAC wrote:

nnowak wrote:

MAC wrote:

Alastair Norcross wrote:

nnowak wrote:

Miguel-C wrote:

nnowak wrote:

Go read the Fuji forum. There are several threads full of people freaking out about the R6. The same thing happened when the Z6 launched.

Insecure people who dont know what they want cameras for always freakout when a new camera arrives.

You missed the point. AdamT was suggesting that Canon needs to up their game with crop sensor bodies to compete against Sony and Fuji crop bodies. My point was that Canon is indeed competing against Fuji, but with full frame, not crop bodies. Fuji users have taken notice of the full frame alternatives, but don't give the M system the slightest bit of attention.

Wait a minute! Aren't you a Fuji user? Judging by the amount of posting you do on this forum, you give the M system pretty much all your attention (unless you have one of those Harry Potter time turners, so you can go back and also post all the time on the Fuji forum).

And as for Canon needing to up its M game to compete with Fuji (as you say AdamT was suggesting), it doesn't matter how many great lenses are available, so long as the ones you need are available. I wouldn't take any Fuji with any number of their great lenses over my M6II and the 4 primes (all EF-M mount) and 2 zooms (1 EF-M, 1 adapted EF) that I use a lot. Others may think differently, but I suspect that Canon is selling plenty of their M cameras. It's always hilarious to read keyboard warriors who are convinced that they know more about marketing and development than one of the biggest and most successful camera companies in the world.

I wouldn't buy a fuji because the glass is too expensive for apsc as compared to the siggy 56 and 16 and canon 32

Third party lenses are almost always less expensive than OEM brands. If you want inexpensive, Viltrox makes Fuji mount lenses that are even cheaper than the Sigmas.

truth be told, I don't like most third party lenses, because I always worry about the potential monkey wench thrown in by the OEM at the next body introduction -- has happened to me 3 times in 20 years.

Same here. I almost got burned by Tamron when one of my lenses turned out to be gray market and they were reluctant to do the needed firmware update.  I would be less apprehensive about lenses with dock support.  Viltrox made it even easier and put micro USB ports on their lenses.

Sony is closer because it supports the siggy's and the next few iterations of the 6600 could be interesting if the get the menu and this brick straightened out

without sigma introducing the 56 and 16, it would be bummer over here in m land imo

A knock your socks off m5II/m50II with IBIS and a few more lenses could be a fuji and sony killer imo.

It would take at least a dozen new EF-M lenses to start impacting Fuji. Canon would also need a body with IBIS, dual card slots, weather sealing, a bigger battery, and a better EVF.

Last xmas, for me a m50II with 32 mpxl, IBIS, and the shutter shock fix, 11-22, 32, 56 and a new bright mid range zoom, and a 70-350 on par with sony's, would have gotten all of my business.

By my count Canon scores 2 out of 6 on your list with a bonus point from Sigma.

Instead they ignored developing this great small system - it's sad because they know how to do this and refuse

Having 2 completely incompatible mirrorless mounts puts Canon in an awkward catch 22.  Focusing solely on small and cheap puts the M system under greater and greater pressure from smartphones.  Pushing the M system into bigger and more expensive overlaps and duplicates the RF system.

Camera sales are not what they were 5 years ago.  Manufacturers can't just throw out dozens of random models to see what sticks.

What Adam said was true - they don't care about fuji and sony, they only care about not cannibalizing their R and RF FF glass.

Canon most certainly does care about Sony and Fuji. Canon just sees RF as a better counter to Sony and Fuji APS-C than EF-M.

It's sad because they have a great sensor in that 32 mpxl and they have some really nice glass in the 11-22 and 32