Sony full frame advice

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Jacques Cornell
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Re: Sony full frame advice

Cato1040 wrote:

Jacques Cornell wrote:

Cato1040 wrote:

Jacques Cornell wrote:

Cato1040 wrote:

Are you willing to buy used? If so, I would think you could get an A7III with the kit lens at that price.

The kit zoom is awful, to be replaced as soon as possible. Honestly, it's a waste of a good camera. If you're happy with its level of performance, you might as well go Micro Four Thirds, because you'll get only 16-20MP of resolution from it anywhere away from the center, even when mounted on a 42MP body. I know, because I have extensive MFT and a7III/a7RIII kits, and I did the comparison on a group portrait of 80 people, stopped down with flash.

I wouldn't say it's an awful lens. I've heard many say it's above average for a kit lens.

Don't believe it. The falloff in sharpness even at the APS frame is obvious, and it's much less consistent edge-to-edge than any Panasonic zoom I've owned over the past 7 years.

It's not just about believing others, I've used it (though not extensively). I've also used other kit lenses (from Sony, Nikon, and Canon). I've seen fantastic picture captured by the Sony FE kit lens that surprised me when I saw which lens they used. You won't be able to convince me that it's aweful.

I don't need to. My first-hand experience with it convinced me immediately. I post this as a warning for others. Make of it what you will. The simple fact is that on a 42MP body it resolves no more than a good zoom on a 20MP MFT body. That's not "subjective" except in a Descartian sense (i.e. because all of our knowledge comes through our senses, the only thing we can be absolutely certain of is our own existence).

Whether it's a waste of a good camera is subjective but I could understand why you might say so.

And it can be a way to enter the Sony Full Frame system. An M43 camera with the pro f/2.8 zoom lenses could be comparable or better but then you're in that system and have, in a way, hit the ceiling, whereas with this A7 kit, at this budget, you're kind of at the floor with room to grow in the system.

OTOH, if you're just going to sell the a7II because of its slow AF and noise in low light, and the kit zoom because it can't resolve 20MP, you'd be no worse off with MFT or APS. You could sell any of these later when you're ready to buy a modern, quality Sony 35mm-format kit.

I didn't recommend getting the A7II with the kit lens.

Ah, I misunderstood.

I recommended the A7III with the kit lens or a cheaper body

Used a7RII would be my choice if not for fast action.

with the Tamron 28-75mm so the OP could possibly be selling the body

I may end up keeping my a7RII even though I "replaced" it with another a7RIII alongside my first a7RIII and a7III just so I can have a body that stays on a tripod for UWA venue shots during my event jobs. For still subjects, it's still a fantastic camera.

or (probably not and) the lens in the next few years, but likely not both. If they wanted to upgrade to Sony from M43, they may need to sell both.

If you want a better lens, I think you could also get an A7RII with the Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 in your budget.

Yes, this represents good value and superb IQ.

If you need to buy used, I'd prioritize the lens. The Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 is fantastic. You can buy the cheapest body you can (A7 or A7II) then upgrade to the A7III when its price drops (which it probably will once the A7IV is released) or when you can afford it.

Not a bad strategy, but low-light performance (AF & noise) of the a7/a7II is pretty weak.

Subjectively.

You keep using that word...

Because it is subjective. If I keep using it, it's because someone is stating their opinions as facts.

Yes, "awful" is subjective". The actual resolution of the lens as I reported it is not.

https://youtu.be/dTRKCXC0JFg

Another starter strategy is to get an a7III or a7RII and just one or two cheap primes - maybe a Nifty Fifty and/or Samyang's 18/2.8 or 35/1.4.

As long as the OP doesn't prefer a zoom.

Um, yeah. Thanks for clearing that up.

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