FULL STEAM AHEAD, LUMIX

Donald B wrote:

panther fan wrote:

Donald B wrote:

panther fan wrote:

jalywol wrote:

Everything you say is completely correct. But, you left out one really huge factor: SENSOR tech.

I have a GX8. I have had zero reason to upgrade it as the sensors that M43 uses now are an iteration of the same one the GX8 has.

What they need to do is introduce an updated sensor with better DR, better noise performance, and PDAF on ALL of them (their competition has outrun them at every turn in all of their bodies at this point on this feature).

Then, go with your suggestions: Keep body size and price down, offer value, not bloat. Emphasize the strengths of the medium, don't try and mimic FF in size and price...not going to work with how cheap some FF bodies are now out there....and even the worst FF mirrorless crushes the best M43 sensor output once you get even one click above base ISO....(Trust me on this, I have an RP...) . Publicize how exceptional the lens choices are...which is why I am using M43 again along with the RP. It's a big deal.

Frustrating, frustrating....I wish they would listen to M43 users, not their marketing departments...

-J

Regarding DR and noise performance the 20MP M43 is class-leading if adjusted for size. No other camera has a better sensor, not even Sony themself. CMOS sensors are matured. The times of increased sensor performance are over.

They can still do three things with sensors, higher-res, faster readout and PDAF

After buying a 42meg sony recently dr has nothing to do with sensor size its pixel size.

Don

DR has all to do with sensor size. A 60MP A7R IV has the same DR per pixel has an APS-C sensor, and pretty much the same as a M43 sensor.

The difference is we don't measure pixel-level DR. DR is measured downscaled to 8MP. That's what all the graphs show on DPreview, DXO and photons to photos.

they are conning everyone period. Including you.

DR has nothing to do with noise, its the ability to record true colour eg: in shadows in real life situations not in a lab. smaller pixels just cant do it doesnt matter how big the sensor is.

cropped mode a7r2 em12 no colour full sensor a7r2

That's also why modern FF cameras can have more than 14 EV of DR, while only having 14bit readout.

Thats a con by sales people as well. because veiling glare wont alow 14 stops to be reached.

I don't know what you are trying to prove here, but those images seem like sensor size not pixel size is the answer

If your theory was true a 24MP FF sensor should have vastly better DR than a 60MP FF sensor, but it doesn't