Linux? May as well go back to fighting Windows

Windows is for folks who want a wide choice of hardware to use it with, as long as they're prepared to deal with the potential for hardware integration issues (including driver issues).

Linux is for folks who want a wide choice of OS options, as long as they're prepared to deal with the potential for software integration issues.

Apple is for folks who don't want a choice and aren't prepared to deal with any integration issues.
Mac OS X is pretty slick. It contains a lot of very thoughtful features. Choice is very good because you get Adobe software and MSFT Office.

I've been using Linux Mint for a very long time because I like it and have no reason to switch. Software integration is not a problem. Unlike AnthonyL, I have never had problems with sound, video, WiFi, or BlueTooth.

Windows is for people who like DOS prompt or can get accustomed to PowerShell. Yuck and huh? are my reactions. Thank heavens for WSL.
I don't disagree with that, but in general for me the applications are primary. I'll do pretty much whatever it takes to use the ones I prefer, and adapt to the OS and hardware required.
For me it's GIMP and Darktable, so Linux is the best choice. Hated Photoshop! Lightroom seems easier to use but not significantly better than Darktable, AFAICT.
 
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Windows is for folks who want a wide choice of hardware to use it with, as long as they're prepared to deal with the potential for hardware integration issues (including driver issues).

Linux is for folks who want a wide choice of OS options, as long as they're prepared to deal with the potential for software integration issues.

Apple is for folks who don't want a choice and aren't prepared to deal with any integration issues.
Mac OS X is pretty slick. It contains a lot of very thoughtful features.
Pathetically few hardware choices for Mac, and a Hackintosh sounds like TooMuchHassle.
Choice is very good because you get Adobe software and MSFT Office.
I like your sense of humor.
I've been using Linux Mint for a very long time because I like it and have no reason to switch. Software integration is not a problem. Unlike AnthonyL, I have never had problems with sound, video, WiFi, or BlueTooth.

Windows is for people who like DOS prompt or can get accustomed to PowerShell.
Huh? is my reaction to that comment. :-)
Yuck and huh? are my reactions. Thank heavens for WSL.
Why not pure Linux?
I don't disagree with that, but in general for me the applications are primary. I'll do pretty much whatever it takes to use the ones I prefer, and adapt to the OS and hardware required.
For me it's GIMP and Darktable, so Linux is the best choice. Hated Photoshop! Lightroom seems easier to use but not significantly better than Darktable, AFAICT.
Darktable works pretty well in most respects, but for me the weak point is lensfun's lens corrections.
 
Mac OS X is pretty slick. It contains a lot of very thoughtful features.
Just wait until you want or need to find something in the logs. The only thing thoughtful about that experience will be the thought of connecting your foot to someone’s behind in Cupertino. Also, Apple's "secret squirrel" M.O. when they botch updates is pretty inexcusable.
 
Windows is for folks who want a wide choice of hardware to use it with, as long as they're prepared to deal with the potential for hardware integration issues (including driver issues).

Linux is for folks who want a wide choice of OS options, as long as they're prepared to deal with the potential for software integration issues.

Apple is for folks who don't want a choice and aren't prepared to deal with any integration issues.
Mac OS X is pretty slick. It contains a lot of very thoughtful features. Choice is very good because you get Adobe software and MSFT Office.

I've been using Linux Mint for a very long time because I like it and have no reason to switch. Software integration is not a problem. Unlike AnthonyL, I have never had problems with sound, video, WiFi, or BlueTooth.
I'm only having problems with sound. I've reverted to my March backup which runs fine so I'll try and let updates through selectively and see if anything and what breaks it.
Windows is for people who like DOS prompt or can get accustomed to PowerShell. Yuck and huh? are my reactions. Thank heavens for WSL.
I'll also add that I've run Windows since 3.0 and every since 3.1.1 (? the one for networking), WIn98, WinXP, Win7 I never had a difficult to resolve issue and Win10 is the first, Networking, neighbour's machine's refusal to update, things hidden away in strange places. To me it offers no improvement on usage to Win7. No doubt you didn't get hit by the printing issue that they introduced and now rush to resolve - and this isn't the first time is it. Patch Tuesday's patches.
 
Windows is for folks who want a wide choice of hardware to use it with, as long as they're prepared to deal with the potential for hardware integration issues (including driver issues).

Linux is for folks who want a wide choice of OS options, as long as they're prepared to deal with the potential for software integration issues.

Apple is for folks who don't want a choice and aren't prepared to deal with any integration issues.
Mac OS X is pretty slick. It contains a lot of very thoughtful features.
Pathetically few hardware choices for Mac, and a Hackintosh sounds like TooMuchHassle.
Choice is very good because you get Adobe software and MSFT Office.
I like your sense of humor.
I've been using Linux Mint for a very long time because I like it and have no reason to switch. Software integration is not a problem. Unlike AnthonyL, I have never had problems with sound, video, WiFi, or BlueTooth.

Windows is for people who like DOS prompt or can get accustomed to PowerShell.
Huh? is my reaction to that comment. :-)
Yuck and huh? are my reactions. Thank heavens for WSL.
Why not pure Linux?
I don't disagree with that, but in general for me the applications are primary. I'll do pretty much whatever it takes to use the ones I prefer, and adapt to the OS and hardware required.
For me it's GIMP and Darktable, so Linux is the best choice. Hated Photoshop! Lightroom seems easier to use but not significantly better than Darktable, AFAICT.
Darktable works pretty well in most respects, but for me the weak point is lensfun's lens corrections.
For me the issue would be the catalog features. I'm just an amateur with a single Lightroom catalog encompassing the last 20 years of my photography efforts. Facial recognition in Lightroom means I don't have to rely on my metadata tagging skills to find those 20 year old pictures of my family members. Lightroom has that all sorted. Google Photos does an equally good job of it but of course Google could shut all that down tomorrow on a whim. I really don't know what in the Linux side has that capability.

Nevertheless I'm one parts shipment away from building a new desktop and I'm debating what OS to install. Might be Kubuntu, might be Fedora 32. I think I have a Windows 10 Home license I can apply to it, but I think I'll try to make it work with Linux for a while.
 


If anyone knows of software that can do a bunch of virtual copies of an edited file and then let you do different crops, I would totally be interested in that software. Especially if it is free!!!
darktable for example.
 
I'll also add that I've run Windows since 3.0 and every since 3.1.1 (? the one for networking),
That was 3.11 (3 point eleven), not 3.1.1.

Windows for Workgroups 3.1 supported networking.

Windows for Workgroups 3.11 added 32 bit disk access.

That's all per my recollection, which could very well be wonky. ;-)
 
I know there are those on here that say "I never have problems" and I'm sure many don't, but it seems as if I do whether it be Windows, supporting Windows, or Linux.
I have no provable explanation of why I've had so few problems with Windows 7 or 10.
I'm one who consistently reports few, if any problems with Win7 and Win10, and it's not because I only use my computers for simple stuff.

My wife's work sometimes gets rather complex, with a web-based server application (via VPN) that manages student submissions and adds a "marking layer" to student documents. There's also a couple of instances of MS-Word, MS-Excel and MS-Outlook all running together. Typically, this runs all day. The only glitch occurs when the server chokes on ridiculously large documents compiled by inexperienced students (e.g. 180Mb MS-Word documents only 50 pages long).
I do have a suspicion that some of the users with the worst problems have messed up their system with registry "cleaners", "optimisers", and other software with potential to corrupt the registry and services, but I don't doubt that there are users with problems who haven't damaged their system.
When setting up a new OS such as Win10, I tend to take a conservative, almost naive approach, and imagine that I'm a new user with no prior knowledge. In the past, I've found that this reveals potential problems that customers are likely to experience.

In the case of Win10, I've rarely had to use any "muscle" to get things working smoothly, and most of my computers are completely standard, except for some minor adjustments to remove unwanted software or utilities.
They are real, time consuming, invasive and non-productive.
I have no solution for problems I haven't faced.
Computing seems to be so keen on "look at what we can do now" that sight is lost on "this is unbreakable".
Where software is concerned, I doubt "unbreakable" is attainable on consumer PCs, and perhaps only in a few very-high-priority systems, if any.
And some folk want to go to driverless cars. Can't even keep planes up in the air safely!
My attitude there is I want my car to warn me of potential danger, but I will refuse any system that actively controls the car and can't be disabled.
The very idea of driverless cars alarms me. I've been in a few situations (not of my own making) where only the most radical evasive actions have saved me from disaster.

A very annoying feature of my wife's car is the "Idle-Stop-Start" system that turns off the engine to supposedly save fuel. It only activates at the most inconvenient times (e.g. stopping briefly to unload passengers) and I calculate that we would save only minimal fuel with our usage. The feature can be turned off, but this has to be done every time you start the car.

The maker won't disable the system permanently, partly because there's an elaborate and time-consuming procedure for battery replacement to support the stop-start system. They will tell you that an very expensive battery is mandatory, and helpfully have one to sell you. Thankfully, there's a "secret switch" that will disable the system permanently, so that the car operates normally and only requires a standard battery.
 
I know there are those on here that say "I never have problems" and I'm sure many don't, but it seems as if I do whether it be Windows, supporting Windows, or Linux.
I have no provable explanation of why I've had so few problems with Windows 7 or 10.

I do have a suspicion that some of the users with the worst problems have messed up their system with registry "cleaners"
Yep! You undoubtedly don't do stupid things, like calson (who seems to have more Windows problems than anyone else in the world), who has stated at least twice in this forum that he uses a registry "cleaner" on a daily (!!) basis.
If one allows a registry "cleaner" to perform repeated auto cleanups, that's pretty much a sure-fire recipe for disaster, IMHO.

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Patco
A photograph is more than a bunch of pixels.
 
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I'll also add that I've run Windows since 3.0 and every since 3.1.1 (? the one for networking),
That was 3.11 (3 point eleven), not 3.1.1.

Windows for Workgroups 3.1 supported networking.

Windows for Workgroups 3.11 added 32 bit disk access.

That's all per my recollection, which could very well be wonky. ;-)
For some reason I have it my head that the initial release of Windows for Workgroups 3.x just initially included Netbeui and Microsoft’s own IPX stack for protocols. It was a subsequent minor update that began to include TCP/IP which is probably what made it as popular as it became. Does that sound right? Even if it is, I have no memory of what the actual version numbers were that corresponded to those two phases.
 
I'll also add that I've run Windows since 3.0 and every since 3.1.1 (? the one for networking),
That was 3.11 (3 point eleven), not 3.1.1.

Windows for Workgroups 3.1 supported networking.

Windows for Workgroups 3.11 added 32 bit disk access.

That's all per my recollection, which could very well be wonky. ;-)
Yes that's it - it came to me whilst I was having a shower. 3.11 was quite reasonable in a work environment provided it was rebooted at lunchtime.
For some reason I have it my head that the initial release of Windows for Workgroups 3.x just initially included Netbeui and Microsoft’s own IPX stack for protocols. It was a subsequent minor update that began to include TCP/IP which is probably what made it as popular as it became. Does that sound right? Even if it is, I have no memory of what the actual version numbers were that corresponded to those two phases.
I don't recall TCP/IP coming in that early and Microsoft were slow adapters. There were a couple of networks/notworks vying for bottom place. Apple must have had something.

Having said that our systems were connected to a Novell file server and they also were slow going to TCP/IP. Novell 4.11 I think before it became standard. Though it was about as rock solid as you could get in those days.
 
The very idea of driverless cars alarms me. I've been in a few situations (not of my own making) where only the most radical evasive actions have saved me from disaster.
I see potential there, simply because so many drivers are careless and inattentive. Cellphones didn't help. :-(

However, I don't think we're anywhere near being able to achieve this, and until they're better than a _good_ human driver I plan to avoid them.
A very annoying feature of my wife's car is the "Idle-Stop-Start" system that turns off the engine to supposedly save fuel. It only activates at the most inconvenient times (e.g. stopping briefly to unload passengers) and I calculate that we would save only minimal fuel with our usage. The feature can be turned off, but this has to be done every time you start the car.

The maker won't disable the system permanently, partly because there's an elaborate and time-consuming procedure for battery replacement to support the stop-start system. They will tell you that an very expensive battery is mandatory, and helpfully have one to sell you.
I do not want such a system either; IMO a smarter solution is better overall fuel economy. This strikes me as a marginally useful and potentially costly band-aid.
 
I know there are those on here that say "I never have problems" and I'm sure many don't, but it seems as if I do whether it be Windows, supporting Windows, or Linux.
I have no provable explanation of why I've had so few problems with Windows 7 or 10.

I do have a suspicion that some of the users with the worst problems have messed up their system with registry "cleaners"
Yep! You undoubtedly don't do stupid things, like calson (who seems to have more Windows problems than anyone else in the world), who has stated at least twice in this forum that he uses a registry "cleaner" on a daily (!!) basis.
All for the sake of some claimed 'performance improvement', which I don't recall being tied to any actual, measurable benchmark.
If one allows a registry "cleaner" to perform repeated auto cleanups, that's pretty much a sure-fire recipe for disaster, IMHO.
If he'd taken the advice given by multiple members here, and simply left a clean-installed Windows on his new workstation, I suspect he'd have much less to complain about. But since he was complaining bitterly and spreading Windows 10 misinformation long before he bought it, I doubt we'd have seen any difference in his posts.

At least the recent posts have contained fewer outright false statements than in the past. I can only hope that innocent newcomers don't adopt his 'maintenance' practices.

Edit: "4 different third party packages for protection"

 
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The very idea of driverless cars alarms me. I've been in a few situations (not of my own making) where only the most radical evasive actions have saved me from disaster.
I see potential there, simply because so many drivers are careless and inattentive. Cellphones didn't help. :-(

However, I don't think we're anywhere near being able to achieve this, and until they're better than a _good_ human driver I plan to avoid them.
Personally, I'm looking forward to transporter technology.........."Beam me up, Scotty".
 
The very idea of driverless cars alarms me. I've been in a few situations (not of my own making) where only the most radical evasive actions have saved me from disaster.
I see potential there, simply because so many drivers are careless and inattentive. Cellphones didn't help. :-(

However, I don't think we're anywhere near being able to achieve this, and until they're better than a _good_ human driver I plan to avoid them.
Personally, I'm looking forward to transporter technology.........."Beam me up, Scotty".
Me too, but that's another technology I want perfected first. MAD magazine did a parody of the original Star Trek where Kirk beamed down and several of his limbs ended up in the wrong places. :-)
 
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The very idea of driverless cars alarms me. I've been in a few situations (not of my own making) where only the most radical evasive actions have saved me from disaster.
I see potential there, simply because so many drivers are careless and inattentive. Cellphones didn't help. :-(

However, I don't think we're anywhere near being able to achieve this, and until they're better than a _good_ human driver I plan to avoid them.
Personally, I'm looking forward to transporter technology.........."Beam me up, Scotty".
I don't know. McCoy was always reluctant to travel via transporter. He may have been right. The novelization of the first Star Trek film mentioned a transporter accident. If I remember correctly, the book said something to the effect that "what beamed up, fortunately did not live long."
 
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The very idea of driverless cars alarms me. I've been in a few situations (not of my own making) where only the most radical evasive actions have saved me from disaster.
I see potential there, simply because so many drivers are careless and inattentive. Cellphones didn't help. :-(

However, I don't think we're anywhere near being able to achieve this, and until they're better than a _good_ human driver I plan to avoid them.
Personally, I'm looking forward to transporter technology.........."Beam me up, Scotty".
I don't know. McCoy was always reluctant to travel via transporter. He may have been right. The novelization of the first Star Trek film mentioned a transporter accident. If I remember correctly, the book said something to the effect that "what beamed up, fortunately did not live long."
I've watched all the Star Trek stuff and consider myself to be a "Trekkie". McCoy was always portrayed as a Luddite, and there's nothing wrong with that (I'm one myself in many ways), but he was almost always wrong in the end. If you noticed, the crew was always shocked when there was that rare transporter malfunction, because I assume that it worked for millions of times just fine. To me, driverless cars will be a godsend and will save countless lives in the long run. I don't think they will let them loose on the roads in mass until they are completely satisfied that they will be way more safe than those driven by humans alone. Our great grandkids will look back one day and say "I can't believe they let people drive those things".
 
To me, driverless cars will be a godsend and will save countless lives in the long run. I don't think they will let them loose on the roads until they are completely satisfied that they will be way more safe than those driven by humans alone. Our great grandkids will look back one day and say "I can't believe they let people drive those things".
Bad news for those of us with a love of driving.



One benefit of driverless cars could be a remote disable feature that the police could use to stop fleeing villains.
 
To me, driverless cars will be a godsend and will save countless lives in the long run. I don't think they will let them loose on the roads until they are completely satisfied that they will be way more safe than those driven by humans alone. Our great grandkids will look back one day and say "I can't believe they let people drive those things".
Bad news for those of us with a love of driving.

One benefit of driverless cars could be a remote disable feature that the police could use to stop fleeing villains.
All the discussion about self-driving cars seems to be centered on how they function on roads and highways. This is totally understandable of course because that’s where nearly all of the safety and ethical concerns lie. As I heard a few years ago though, the biggest long term impact of self-driving cars on everyday life might actually be in the things that aren’t roads and highways.

If self-driving cars are ubiquitous, do residential buildings really need their own garages anymore? Why couldn’t you just have a neighborhood parking garage or parking lot? Call up your car, and it shows up in front of your house/building when you want it. Could the layouts of supermarkets and some other types of retail locations change if the equivalent of curbside pickup was always possible? Etc…
 
To me, driverless cars will be a godsend and will save countless lives in the long run. I don't think they will let them loose on the roads in mass until they are completely satisfied that they will be way more safe than those driven by humans alone.
To me, driverless cars will be a godsend and will save countless lives in the long run. I don't think they will let them loose on the roads in mass until they are completely satisfied that they will make a profit on them

FTFY.
 

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