shutterbugnx wrote:
Kisaha wrote:
Upon release the 7Riii was 3.499euros, and the NX500 799euros, if I remember right.
Seems about right.
For a "workhorse" 24-70, you have to pay 2.149euros in my country (upon release it was more than 500euros more expensive), and for the S 16-50S 2-2.8f lens was 1.199euros (it was much less a few months after release). Fuji 16-55mm is non stabilized 2.8f and is 1.199, right now. The S is the smaller and lighter and the only one stabilized. Start your set up from here.
https://www.sharkandpalm.com/camera-reviews/fuji-18-55mm-f28-4-the-best-fuji-video-lens
Fuji have a very nice lens for video which is available quite cheaply. As for Sony lenses, Sigma and Tamron both have cheaper alternatives than Sony's own lenses while still offering good performance. How much does cost really matter? If you're investing in lenses for video work, you should be able to break even without going the budget route.
This lens is far inferior to the 16-50S. It is a shame for the brand that this truly is the best video lens they have.
what that does even mean?! because you drive, you own a Porsche?! Because you do video you own an Alexa and using Cooke cine primes?!
The size and price ratio is completely a different league, it is a mistake to compare a small 799euros 2015 camera with a full frame 3499 beast of a later year. I am not sure why this is so hard for you to comprehend.
The only issue you "had" was bigger bags...that is not a valid comparison at all, like comparing an everyday small, light and cheap car, with an expensive premium SUV.
The SUV is bigger, better, more, the small hatchback (maybe a Fiesta) usually drives well, economically, can turn, light and easy to steer, can park easily on a bigger city, but can take you on the high way too.
Some people own both types of car. If the larger model is no less comfortable, why not get it? I don't even use a strap with my A7RIII because it is so much more comfortable in my hand than my NX500.
There is a camera called NX1 that has the best ergonomis ever in the business. Hold one, and you will understand. On another forum we were recently discussing how incredible the menu system, ergonomics, buttons placement, buttons, touch screens, super AMOLED screens of the NX1 are. NX500 is miles ahead of the similar a6000 series Sony cameras. Samsung did the right thing pretty easily, After 5-6 models, Sony still do not get it. Get it?
Huge advantage, look how much the "premium" compacts from Fuji and Sony cost right now, and how much the NX500 with the 30mm pancake, or any other pancake.
NX500 was released 5 years ago. How much will Fuji's premium cameras from now cost in 5 years I wonder...
Why do not check what Fuji had on offering in 2014 and 2015 when NX1 and NX500 were out? How much they cost now? Noone even talks about them.
Also, I was talking about the premium compacts. Are the Panasonic LX cameras any better than the NX500 with the 16-50PZ lens (the compact one)? I do not think so..
The Fuji X100V just released, and it costs 1.569euros, is it really that better? Is it better at all?
There are issues with F log, too... Fuji isn't prime time for video professionals, I said, they still need to polish things.
I think Fuji today is as capable as Samsung, if not more so. You mention video professionals, but Samsung is unlikely to ever be as revered as say the 5D Mark II, whereas Fuji is increasingly garnering recognition.
Obviously Samsung stopped, in 2-3 years NX1 will be completely "obsolete", but it is funny that it is not yet. I am talking about video professionals because there is a good bunch of us still rockin the NX1s.. I do not know anyone still using a 5DmkII...
Samsung doesn't overheat, I assure you about that and regulars here have read tons of examples I have given them through the years. It is just unbelievable. Recording straight for 73minutes, it is not even a "hack" just an option inside the DEV menu of the camera. The hack is a different thing altogether, making NX cameras even better.
What you mean is Samsung doesn't have overheating protection. You can find people here who have had their cameras "mysteriously" stop working - I'm sure heat was implicated in some of those instances.
I am using the cameras since then, on the worst heating conditions, scorching Mediteranean heat, near the sea, or on the sea on boats, recording continously live performances and all my NX cameras still working flawlessly. NX1 (2 of them), NX500, NX3000. I have to clean the NX500's sensor at some point, but everything else is brilliant. You can't even imagine how many "dead pixels" or burned ones the aforementioned 5DmkII had just after a couple of years of use (and most of the first Canon cameras we were using for video back then 60D was dreadfull too)!
What cameras have "mysteriously stop working"? I do not remember much sensor damage either, if any at all.
Fuji batteries are small, cameras drain too much power, it is even worst in the X-T4.
The NX500's battery isn't particularly impressive either. Besides, cameras can be powered externally.
It is impressive, I can do a 90 - 110 minutes show with one battery and a bit, original ones since 2015. The amazing thing is that I can do same show with NX1 with just one battery, easily. Still rockin' original batteries, for almost 5 years now! I even have just 3 NX1 batteries for 2 cameras! Do not even change batteries, even on double camera photography jobs.
You can't go and correct exposure shift on a days work, or your holidays if you are an amateur. In the first case you are just loosing valuable time and money, in the second, you just can't bother.
If you don't have time to edit your footage, perhaps a point-and-shoot camera would be more appropriate.
Haha! when you are a professional time is money, when you are an amateur do not own the equipment, or the knowledge to do most things. I am trying to minimize the post work, not increase it. That is a common workflow in pro world, if you can do it in production, you save time and money later on in post, except if you are directing the new Thor or X-Men movie..
For a simple post work/editing job, do you know how much it costs per hour?!
One of the issue is a LENS problem, the guy even does the same tests with his NX1 to prove how bad the Fuji issue is. These are all well documented facts.
It is a shortcoming of the lens which is not compensated for in software.
This is true for ALL Fuji zoom lenses. and there was another problem on that video too.
The 16-80 lens was supposed to be the go-to lens for video, it is expensive, it doesn't deliver.
It is clearly a stills-oriented lens.
That was supposed to be the go-to lens for video. It did not deliver. It is expensive for what it is. Why change the 18-55 2.8-4f then? Because the 16mm at the wide end is remarkable useful when you do video, and that is why the 18 is not that good for video, because with the crop, is almost 29-30mm in full frame, that is not wide at all, while the 16mm APS-C sensors are almost 24-25mm, which is amazing for most things (wide shots, bigger groups, buildings, chuches, landscapes, weddings, performances, e.t.c) when you have a zoom (while the longer end, can do small groups, portraits, e.t.c That is why the 24-70 is a workhorse lens)
If I want to use EF lenses, I buy Canon. and now that you mentioned it, the new Canon mirrorless, will probably be game changers for the whole industry, so why to buy a different Fuji until they fix their issues, and not a proper Canon or Nikon Z?
I primarily use EF lenses on my Sony and have no issue with AF performance for stills, and I hear Metabones has an adapter with decent video AF performance. I own an RP, which I no longer use. My Sony has better resolution and IBIS. Yes, Canon's next camera will match that, but it will likely include arbitrary limitations. It seems like you're simply being contrarian here and not speaking from experience. Canon and Nikon cameras have problems too. Panasonic's S1/S1H are cameras seriously oriented toward video.
Yes, that was the selling point for Sony for a lot of years, since Canon was the sleeping rabbit in Aesop's tale, but now that the turtles went ahead at the race, the rabbit wake up with impressive releases all over (new 1D, R5 and R6, even new M cameras). Sony are terrible cameras for so many years, I honestly had to work with them for many jobs, and I was trying to avoid them. I have many posts on the issues. The latest ones are much better than the first ones, I must admit, but still there are so much behind, that 1 true good release from Canon will destroy them completely.
Sony cameras is like software engineers are making the cameras, and not photo camera makers.
The best cheap mirrorless right now is easily the Nikon Z5, with their first try they went ahead of Sony! That is why I am waiting for their second try.
Canons were terrible until now, and still are, because the new cameras are not out yet, and the first R cameras were a joke, that is why I am telling you that I saved money staying NX, and that is why we are still using NX.
Panasonic are serious machines, I haven't worked with the new full frame ones. I believe they are too expensive, the lens collection doesn't make any sense for now, and most of us we are waiting for the new releases. We most have EF lenses anyway, so going native, is always a better strategy.
We will see soon, I am waiting for this generation of Canon mirrorless and the second generation of Nikon Z, and probably I will decide between those two, and I am definitely keeping most of my NX, NX500 for sure, it is almost unbelievable small, light, nice looking, and capable at the same time!
I'm likely not keeping my NX500. Planning to switch to an NX2000 as I am not a fan of the heavy-handed always-on RAW noise reduction in Samsung's later models. Going to keep my NX Mini however, it's amazingly compact and the battery life is fantastic.
I have the NX3000 and this camera has a very Canon-like soft video, that is why I gave my NX300 and bought a NX3000 for. Great little machines. I will probably give to my kids later on.
If I had bought any other brand in 2014, instead of NX, I would have changed multiple cameras and systems until now, I stayed NX, I am still using them professionaly (I have other equipement too), and I am waiting for the next mirrorless cameras to take me to 2025 and beyond.
Perhaps you would have gone through multiple systems, but the past is fixed.
Choices, choices...I did fine..
I know people that changed NX at 2015/2016 and changed 2 or 3 different systems until now (m43/eos M then, Sony a and Fuji X later, some back to m43 because the GH5 was and is a real video tool), and they will change another one soon (most people will go Canon or Nikon, again).
There are also people who own multiple systems. M43 is limited in terms of video capabilities, this is particularly exemplified by the disparity between the GH5 and GH5S.
What do you mean disparity?
GH5 cameras are used here for broadcast TV, they are broadcast standard compatible. I have many episodes on the biggest networks here, shot on GH5 cameras. They are workhorse tools.
But still, NX1 crashes it for photography, and ISO capabilities on both cameras are sub par for todays standards, but NX is super clean when well lighted, which is not the case for the GH5. That is why there is the GH5S, with 3200 native, and the Pocket Cinema 4K with native 3200. Incredible video tools both. Best in class. Unlimited recording, raw capabilities (internal for the Pocket), native 3200 ISO, so no issue with low light, and do whatever with tons of m43 lenses, and use any kind of speedboosters and have different focal lengths with the same lens (2X when not speedboster, X0.64, X0.71 e.t.c Depending what you use. Viltrox and other brands offer good solutions for cheap).
3 issues there are really for NX1.
1) Not as good in high ISO as some of todays sensor (28megapixels was the maximum resolution for so long, and I believe they went for that, instead for low light photography, there is a stupid NR going on after 3200ISO, and 3200 is not dual ISO clean..)
2) not 10bit files
3) Samsung doesn't make cameras any more!
