shutterbugnx wrote:
Kisaha wrote:
You are comparing a full frame camera that costed thousands of $€ to a tiny APS-C that was a lot less?! That is how good the NX500 from 2015 is..
I purchased my Sony in like-new condition for roughly twice the launch price of the NX500. Pricing doesn't seem so disparate that way.
Upon release the 7Riii was 3.499euros, and the NX500 799euros, if I remember right.
For a "workhorse" 24-70, you have to pay 2.149euros in my country (upon release it was more than 500euros more expensive), and for the S 16-50S 2-2.8f lens was 1.199euros (it was much less a few months after release). Fuji 16-55mm is non stabilized 2.8f and is 1.199, right now. The S is the smaller and lighter and the only one stabilized. Start your set up from here.
The only issue you "had" was bigger bags...that is not a valid comparison at all, like comparing an everyday small, light and cheap car, with an expensive premium SUV.
The SUV is bigger, better, more, the small hatchback (maybe a Fiesta) usually drives well, economically, can turn, light and easy to steer, can park easily on a bigger city, but can take you on the high way too.
Mind you that not everybody buys cameras every year. Imagine buying Canon/Sony/Fuji in 2015. You would have to buy 2-3 cameras from each brand those 5 years to finaly equal, or surpass the NX500.
The "investment" in lenses is not proportional either. Bigger - heavier - more expensive lenses.
Buying cameras yearly has little advantage - it typically takes multiple years for manufactures to make major improvements. Not only does the NX500 have light lenses, it also has a light body. I'm not sure if any current camera approaches its performance without being appreciably heavier.
Huge advantage, look how much the "premium" compacts from Fuji and Sony cost right now, and how much the NX500 with the 30mm pancake, or any other pancake.
Fuji has multiple problems with video (white balance issue, overheating, some time limitations, zoom shift exposure = that is a lenses issue, they weren't build with video on mind), battery issues on most, e.t.c) and most of their lenses are terrible for video. They will replace most of the old ones, and even the new 16-80mm everybody was expecting is just a mediocre lens for too much money. This is the review from my favourite lens reviewer:
https://www.lenstip.com/571.11-Lens_review-Fujifilm_Fujinon_XF_16-80_mm_f_4_R_OIS_WR_Summary.html
and watch this from a guy a very much respect. Korean, but perfect english subtitles
https://youtu.be/Vva3GV_XElQ
Undeniably X-T4 is a great tool but it is 2020. Imagine buying in 2014 a Fuji camera Vs the NX1 (because you can not compare the flagships with the tiny NX500). You needed exactly 3 Fuji flagships since 2014 to match the NX1, and still some of us prefer the NX1+S 16-50mm combo as our workhorse. Fuji still needs to polish things further (IBIS, the shifts, ergononics, lenses, e.t.c)
No camera has perfect white balance, fortunately Fuji has a log format for video which helps alleviate this concern. Most people aren't going to encounter overheating. For situations where heat is a concern, a Panasonic S1H or Sigma fp would be more appropriate. Indeed it seems somewhat counter-intuitive to use a general-purpose camera if high fidelity video is one's focus. The NX500 has time limitations for recording too, unless you modify it. Also, I'm not sure what battery issues you're referring to.
As for the video you linked, I strongly believe that demonstrates an issue which would be correctable in software; it should even be correctable in post if one takes their time to even the exposure of individual frames.
I wouldn't expect much from an APS-C lens with kit zoom range and an f4 aperture. Fuji have a wide range of lenses, weather resistance adds to cost. And Fringer has a fantastic adapter allowing many Canon EF-mount lenses to be used on Fuji cameras with reasonable AF performance. I don't have one of those, but I do own a non-flagship, pre-2014 Fuji camera that I find great for taking stills - the X-M1.
There are issues with F log, too... Fuji isn't prime time for video professionals, I said, they still need to polish things.
Samsung doesn't overheat, I assure you about that and regulars here have read tons of examples I have given them through the years. It is just unbelievable. Recording straight for 73minutes, it is not even a "hack" just an option inside the DEV menu of the camera. The hack is a different thing altogether, making NX cameras even better.
Fuji batteries are small, cameras drain too much power, it is even worst in the X-T4.
You can't go and correct exposure shift on a days work, or your holidays if you are an amateur. In the first case you are just loosing valuable time and money, in the second, you just can't bother. One of the issue is a LENS problem, the guy even does the same tests with his NX1 to prove how bad the Fuji issue is. These are all well documented facts.
The 16-80 lens was supposed to be the go-to lens for video, it is expensive, it doesn't deliver.
If I want to use EF lenses, I buy Canon. and now that you mentioned it, the new Canon mirrorless, will probably be game changers for the whole industry, so why to buy a different Fuji until they fix their issues, and not a proper Canon or Nikon Z?
We will see soon, I am waiting for this generation of Canon mirrorless and the second generation of Nikon Z, and probably I will decide between those two, and I am definitely keeping most of my NX, NX500 for sure, it is almost unbelievable small, light, nice looking, and capable at the same time!
If I had bought any other brand in 2014, instead of NX, I would have changed multiple cameras and systems until now, I stayed NX, I am still using them professionaly (I have other equipement too), and I am waiting for the next mirrorless cameras to take me to 2025 and beyond.
I know people that changed NX at 2015/2016 and changed 2 or 3 different systems until now (m43/eos M then, Sony a and Fuji X later, some back to m43 because the GH5 was and is a real video tool), and they will change another one soon (most people will go Canon or Nikon, again).
