Looking for an ICC profile for Epson Premium Presentation Matte on SC-P800

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technoid Senior Member • Posts: 2,276
Re: So usually NOT fully color-managed

Eric Stevens wrote:

NAwlins Contrarian wrote:

NAwlins Contrarian wrote: ... When you use printer manages colors, you're not using a fully color-manged workflow. ... even in the printer driver, you cannot choose an ICC profile.

Actually, you can choose the ICC profile with which the Printer Manages Color. Below is a screenshot of the driver dialog (accessed from within Picture Window Pro. Sorry PS folks, the universe is bigger than Adobe Inc.). Five "modes" are offered. You choose Off (No Color Adjustment) when your program manages color. You choose ICM when you want the printer to manage color using an ICC profile of your choice. You then go to the Advanced sub-dialog to choose which profile.

The price paid is that you don't get to choose Perceptual or Relative Colorimetric rendering intent, so indeed you give up that part of color management to the printer.

Then Epson has added an option similar to what some Canon drivers have--although IIRC those at least let you choose a rendering intent. As you say, at that point using this Epson driver you're not fully color-managed because you can't choose a rendering intent. Also, it's not clear (to me at least) from Eric's screen captures, but it doesn't look like he was choosing ICM Mode, and was instead showing Media Type options (I see in the third capture Mode: Off (No Color Adjustment) and in the fourth capture Current Settings ... Color Adjustment: Epson Standard (sRGB)).

ICM stands for Image Color Management. Basically it makes use of ICC profiles and makes use of a color engine written by Heidelberg, the printing press manufacurers. It has been replaced by WCS (Windows Color System) from Vista onwards. You will find more information about ICM here. You will note the instruction "When using this feature with an application that supports color management, turn off the application’s color management feature." You will also see "Color management by driver ICM (Windows XP x64, XP, or 2000 only)".

GFrom what I have read ICM/WCS is just another colour engine and you should not use it if you are already using a color managed work flow (Adobe, Corel, DxO etc). Otherwise you will end up with two lots of color correction and problematic results.

That's correct. Since Photoshop offers application managed color you should use that and not ICM. And, of course, if you do choose to use ICM you shouldn't let Photoshop manage color. Also, Photoshop's ACE CME is slightly more accurate than Microsoft's CME which is what's used with driver ICM selected. The former also offers BPC which is commonly used. Especially with Rel. Col. Intent.

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