lawny13
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Re: More info: What gear do you currently have? Budget?
Steve W wrote:
lawny13 wrote:
Steve W wrote:
lawny13 wrote:
I read you have the sony system. And I read that you also have the R.
But we are all unaware of the lenses you currently own. Do you own the GM 85 or are you considering getting it vs getting the RF and EF 85?
So up until a year ago Canon was my main system but had backed down my gear to a single 5D Mark IV body. Prior I also had a 1DX. When I bought into Sony it was primarily for Landscape and Architecture where I could get 36 or 42 Mpixels. Then I jumped to an A9 and took the risk to replace my 1DX. For Canon lens I had a full collection and used EF 50/1.2L, EF 85/1.2L II, and EF 135/2L for portrait work.
When the newer Sony's like the A7RIII and A7III came out I switched over almost completely using the Sony for portrait and events. The portrait came slower because I started with the Batis 85/1.8 as the only real pro-level lens even though I was adapting my 85/1.2L II.
Eventually the 85/1.4 GM and then the 135/1.8 GM came out and I jumped at those along with the Planar 50/1.4 ZA.
I had held of getting involved with the EOS R even thought I new the sensor well. Its lack of a few features kept me away until it was offered at a great price. I then decided to buy one and give it a try and while still limited I did enjoy it. They key reluctance was to spend money on the great fast RF lenses unless I knew there was a body on the way that justified the cost of the lenses. The development announcement and now the original targeted release in July rekindled my interest and willingness to spend more money with Canon and see if I wanted to go back to it for portraits and events. I personally have not considered the EOS R an event camera like the 5D Mark IV.
What is your budget?
I have lots of gear that is expensive so the cost of the RF 85/1.2L itself is not the issue but the unknown cost of the EOS R5 is. So I have to learn more about it and its price before I decide to return from Sony. If I do that there is gear I would sell off.
If you are in it for the long run (sticking with canon) I would definitely suggest you go native. For portraits you don't need IS. You either control your light or you bump up ISO a bit. You will be shooting around f1.4 most of the time based on what you have stated, so you should be shooting at ISO 100-1600 and not higher generally. Afterwards you would get the R5 as you stated, probably because of IBIS, and the higher MP count. That is in essence what you want right? The R5 and the RF 85 f1.2.
Am I in it for the long haul? Well lets learn more about the R5.
When buying lenses I always ask myself the following. If I buy a cheaper lens because I want that FL or FL range now... will I end up selling it for an upgrade within a year for a more expensive one? If the answer is yes, then I just hold off and get the one I really want. If the answer is no, then I get the cheaper one.
Alternatively consider this. You can adapt the EF to both the sony and the R. And if you buy second hand you can always sell it at little loss and upgrade later.
Choices... good luck
Thanks for providing a more complete story.
No offense dude, my advice is simply to do nothing. You have anything you need practically on the Sony system. If you didn’t have the gear you have I would have said to go with a canon 85, but that is not the case.
So based on this I don’t see why you can’t wait up to 6 months and see what the R5 does. What I can see from the specs alone I knew that dumping Sony and going back to canon would pay off... if only were patient. Flip flopping between brands is expensive. But for events I get the reason you went for Sony... though the 5DIV would have suited that just fine. 30MP might not be the high res one wants for landscape but I don’t see why it would not have held you over.
So why not slow down? With the corona thing going on especially... you shouldn’t be shooting events now.
just my 2c
Of course your right. I don't need any of it and can easily wait out for the R5 to see what it is before I buy a Canon 85L. This stay-at home state just gives my mind too much time to focus on GAS. The 5D IV is a great event camera for sure and I agree 30 Mpixels is the sweet spot.
Same issue with me. I was looking at the 70-300L and the 100-400L cause I couldn’t be patient enough for the 100-500 RF. But I decided that bring pragmatic was the better way to go. The long lenses were because I wanted to get into some birding social distancing and still going on walks with the kids... birding in the Netherlands seemed like a no brainer.
But why spend 1300 to 2000 euros for a genre that I am not even sure I would stick with? The practical approach was to get the EF70-300 II (nano-USM) since I will get the R5 later, and probably the 100-500 eventually. I just need the FL range to start off with and I should not spend too much doing so.
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63777232
After all it is all about actual photography no? Heck I even went a full round thinking I should get the M6II and the 55-200. But even then I would be giving into GAS, and I reasoned out that were I to get the M6II and telezoom, that once I got the R5 there is that chance of not using the latter much. And maintaining two systems is something that can be done, but I would rather invest in quality glass than spread the cash around,
I think, perhaps you need to come up with some photography projects. Push yourself with the gear you have. Though I think canon will do better portraits than the Sony due to colors, and I do prefer where canon is going with their RF mount more than Sony. End of the day your gain will be minimal, till we see where canon is going. For example. Though I like the RF lenses for what they are. I only see myself having big heavy lenses for certain FLs and zooms. I won’t get likes of the F1.2 for everyone for example. There needs to be at least a smallish 50 and some sub 1k glass. So I will be patient. Had I gotten the 50 f1.2, and I know I would have loved it, I would have gotten the smaller 50 F1.8 and the larger 50 would have seen less use except for those special occasions where F1.2 is needed/wanted.
Simply can’t justify spending 2.5k for everything instead of the whole lot of other things I can spend the money on for my family.
But... one last thing. Since you have an 85 on the Sony F1.4 no less, I honestly don’t see the point of doubling with the EF 85 F1.4. The 85 F1.2 essentially sets itself more apart. But I come back to the main point... hold off. Do some editing, do some more shooting. This year we were supposed to see a bunch of new lenses and the R5 from canon (like the rumored 70-135 f2. As long as you have two systems why double up on lenses, especially with some exotic canon lenses? Like that 70-135 f2. If it comes out around 3k, would that not potentially be more interesting than the 85 F1.2 since you already have the 85 GM?
