Will global economic meltdown mean discounted EM1 iii?

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But I can't help wondering if in the weeks ahead the various manufacturers might discount the equipment a bit to keep buyers coming...............

Gary
No, I would expect the opposite. A lot of us are old folks, this hobby suits us well. This virus is almost tailor made to get rid of old folks. So, many will voluntarily self isolate themselves. And have a lot of time for the hobby in the coming months. And if 5 or 10% of us will have to die soon, why not splurge on that new camera NOW.
Brilliant!!!

I can use my impending demise as my reason for quickly buying more gear on my financial manager.

🤓
Not if it digs in to the toilet roll and pasta budget :-)
If people panic bought micro Four Thirds toilet roll it would consume less space in their garages.
just got back from "vacation " in Turkey and to be sure i "borrowed" a couple of rolls from the hotel.....the stuff is so thin you might as well stick it up your........
Be grateful you got back before all the airlines get grounded. The old Thai hose for the bum looks promising :-)
Turkish toilets have a nice sprinkler system built in.....perfect for those chilli laden meals
If you are not careful where you eat in Turkey , your backside becomes a very unpleasant "sprinkler system"
you should try Egypt........
 
PS, you might think those robber barons were pure evil but their successes built American industry without which America would still be a country of farmers and all of Europe, the Middle East, and maybe North and South America would be part of **** Germany.

TR made the changes that resulted in one of the greatest growth periods of an affluent middle class but without the prior excesses there would be no industry for it to grow into.

You can say a lot of the same for Gates, Bezos, others, but they created new industries too without which all of us in America and many places in the world would be poorer.
 
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But I can't help wondering if in the weeks ahead the various manufacturers might discount the equipment a bit to keep buyers coming...............

Gary
No, I would expect the opposite. A lot of us are old folks, this hobby suits us well. This virus is almost tailor made to get rid of old folks. So, many will voluntarily self isolate themselves. And have a lot of time for the hobby in the coming months. And if 5 or 10% of us will have to die soon, why not splurge on that new camera NOW.
Brilliant!!!

I can use my impending demise as my reason for quickly buying more gear on my financial manager.

🤓
Not if it digs in to the toilet roll and pasta budget :-)
If people panic bought micro Four Thirds toilet roll it would consume less space in their garages.
just got back from "vacation " in Turkey and to be sure i "borrowed" a couple of rolls from the hotel.....the stuff is so thin you might as well stick it up your........
Be grateful you got back before all the airlines get grounded. The old Thai hose for the bum looks promising :-)
Turkish toilets have a nice sprinkler system built in.....perfect for those chilli laden meals
If you are not careful where you eat in Turkey , your backside becomes a very unpleasant "sprinkler system"
you should try Egypt........
I was only there once for a short trip and thankfully did not have any issues , but I have heard the tales :-)
 
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But I can't help wondering if in the weeks ahead the various manufacturers might discount the equipment a bit to keep buyers coming...............

Gary
No, I would expect the opposite. A lot of us are old folks, this hobby suits us well. This virus is almost tailor made to get rid of old folks. So, many will voluntarily self isolate themselves. And have a lot of time for the hobby in the coming months. And if 5 or 10% of us will have to die soon, why not splurge on that new camera NOW.
Brilliant!!!

I can use my impending demise as my reason for quickly buying more gear on my financial manager.

🤓
Not if it digs in to the toilet roll and pasta budget :-)
If people panic bought micro Four Thirds toilet roll it would consume less space in their garages.
just got back from "vacation " in Turkey and to be sure i "borrowed" a couple of rolls from the hotel.....the stuff is so thin you might as well stick it up your........
Be grateful you got back before all the airlines get grounded. The old Thai hose for the bum looks promising :-)
Turkish toilets have a nice sprinkler system built in.....perfect for those chilli laden meals
If you are not careful where you eat in Turkey , your backside becomes a very unpleasant "sprinkler system"
you should try Egypt........
I was only there once for a short trip and thankfully did not have any issues , but I have heard the tales :-)
eye of a needle comes to mind
 
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But I can't help wondering if in the weeks ahead the various manufacturers might discount the equipment a bit to keep buyers coming...............

Gary
No, I would expect the opposite. A lot of us are old folks, this hobby suits us well. This virus is almost tailor made to get rid of old folks. So, many will voluntarily self isolate themselves. And have a lot of time for the hobby in the coming months. And if 5 or 10% of us will have to die soon, why not splurge on that new camera NOW.
Brilliant!!!

I can use my impending demise as my reason for quickly buying more gear on my financial manager.

🤓
Not if it digs in to the toilet roll and pasta budget :-)
If people panic bought micro Four Thirds toilet roll it would consume less space in their garages.
just got back from "vacation " in Turkey and to be sure i "borrowed" a couple of rolls from the hotel.....the stuff is so thin you might as well stick it up your........
Be grateful you got back before all the airlines get grounded. The old Thai hose for the bum looks promising :-)
Turkish toilets have a nice sprinkler system built in.....perfect for those chilli laden meals
If you are not careful where you eat in Turkey , your backside becomes a very unpleasant "sprinkler system"
you should try Egypt........
I was only there once for a short trip and thankfully did not have any issues , but I have heard the tales :-)
eye of a needle comes to mind
I wish I wasn't having some tea and toast while picturing that
 
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But I can't help wondering if in the weeks ahead the various manufacturers might discount the equipment a bit to keep buyers coming...............

Gary
No, I would expect the opposite. A lot of us are old folks, this hobby suits us well. This virus is almost tailor made to get rid of old folks. So, many will voluntarily self isolate themselves. And have a lot of time for the hobby in the coming months. And if 5 or 10% of us will have to die soon, why not splurge on that new camera NOW.
Brilliant!!!

I can use my impending demise as my reason for quickly buying more gear on my financial manager.

🤓
Not if it digs in to the toilet roll and pasta budget :-)
If people panic bought micro Four Thirds toilet roll it would consume less space in their garages.
just got back from "vacation " in Turkey and to be sure i "borrowed" a couple of rolls from the hotel.....the stuff is so thin you might as well stick it up your........
Be grateful you got back before all the airlines get grounded. The old Thai hose for the bum looks promising :-)
Turkish toilets have a nice sprinkler system built in.....perfect for those chilli laden meals
If you are not careful where you eat in Turkey , your backside becomes a very unpleasant "sprinkler system"
you should try Egypt........
I was only there once for a short trip and thankfully did not have any issues , but I have heard the tales :-)
eye of a needle comes to mind
I wish I wasn't having some tea and toast while picturing that
the tea would be thicker....actually toast and marmite sounds good about now
 
They are on the forefront of economic progression. Lower costs for consumer products, potentially lower emissions with fewer vehicles making delivery. The ability for tens of thousands of partners earning a living selling them products and services to the company and on their website, some of them working from home. Don't see anything bad about it. With Amazon Web Services, they created a new industry.
They would not be where they are today, if they collected Sales Tax for so many years before!
 
There are eerie similarities to the late 19th century and the early 20th century but there has been opportunity with it.

I for one started with nothing, had my first good paying job when I was 36, retired 12 years later. I'm no robber baron. I was a middle level employee in a high wage industry. My friend Bob was born with MS. The best he ever did was watch a security monitor at an airport. Yet he retired with a 7-figure account from a lifetime of investing in the stock market. It isn't how much they pay you. Its what you do with it.

Here in Seattle, people who work for MSFT, AMZN, FB, GOOG for pharma companies, service companies, energy companies, lots of non-tech companies are not complaining. Young people with a good education and the right skills can buy $1Million homes with one income. They don't look like $1Million homes in lower cost of housing places but they are nice places to live and far from shacks. If they have two incomes and some equity to carry forward a $2 Million house is not out of reach. Those are nice homes in any location. They have the cars and vacations to go with them, the healthcare, and retirement plans.

Bezos commented in an interview; "People complain I have so much money. I own 14% of AMZN which is today worth $1 Trillion. What they don't discuss is it means I made $860 Billion for other people."

There are warehouse workers at AMZN who think they should be doing better but how much can you pay ten's of thousands of people for picking boxes off conveyer belts? Its a low skill, low education job. You can't pay $100K a year for that and stay in business.

There are winners and losers in any economy. As a worker you have to make yourself valuable. A big income is not an entitlement. A job application is - if the company can hire you. There is always competition for skill, and competition to be one of the skilled. You are paid what you are worth to the company, what you can contribute to its success and economic health and you participate accordingly. That's my experience.

There are excesses but the incentive to be rich is a powerful motivator that creates opportunity. That's the economy I want to work in.

Gates, Buffett, Bezos. Robber Barons? Hardly. Gates was a predatory monopolist. He paid for it. Buffett is exceedingly decent and Bezos earned it, lifting the economic health of tens of thousands of people with him. Ask any of the 60,000 people in his offices in Seattle, New York, Nashville, soon to be Northern Virginia. Now all of three of them are or will give away their fortunes, couple of hundred $$Billion. That will do a lot of good - no good at all if they didn't live in an economy than enabled them to earn it. Take all the wealth from people who did well and a lot of people besides them would have a lot less and a lot more people would suffer.

The government provides with your own tax money. Many of the rich give away massive amounts of their wealth, often doing a better job of it. Some of it for things the government won't provide because it isn't politically expedient - that is it doesn't get them elected or keep them in office.

There are generous and greedy people, honest and dishonest people at all strata of the economy. The economy is bigger than all of them. If you aren't happy where you are, you can only count on yourself to do something about it. No amount of whining is going to change it. You don't want to be poor. If you want to be one of them - be one of them. The only thing stopping you is you.
I agree. I have no problem with anybody making millions/billions. The more the better.

However, it is the system that is used to generate that business has far reaching consequences.

Amazon, Ebay, Walmart was basically selling others products at the expense of Mom and Pop stores. Others losses and shutdown was their gains. Many jobs were lost.

Facebook and Google make their money on advertising at the expense of Newspapers advertising revenue. Facebook even helped decide the 2016 with all the fake conspiracy theory ads. Jouranlism jobs lost. When was the last time you saw a newspaper, or do you know if Google ever wrote an article.

IBM created the most millionaires, and they did not destroy existing business's. They even allowed Microsoft to flourish, since they were under Monopoly investigation by the fed for 15 years. Microsoft also created a lot of millionaires, though they curbed/destroyed their competition, they did not destroy any existing software business.
 
I take no pleasure in what the Corona virus is doing to the human population. We are moving gradually into lockdown here in the USA.

But I can't help wondering if in the weeks ahead the various manufacturers might discount the equipment a bit to keep buyers coming.

There are always discounts cycling through photography equipment but the new models are usually exempt for a while.

This is, however, a drastic moment in economic history.

I've been contemplating the EM1 iii body.

Gary
I think its price stays or even gets higher. Shortage of supplies will make sure of that. No flooding the market will happen. so no price reduction.

Best, AIK
Amazon is hiring a 100,000 more workers to meet demand from stuck-at-home shoppers.
I’m not usually a fan of large Gorilla-type companies, but I am more than thankful that we have Amazon to help us through the next few months of self isolation.
 
I take no pleasure in what the Corona virus is doing to the human population. We are moving gradually into lockdown here in the USA.

But I can't help wondering if in the weeks ahead the various manufacturers might discount the equipment a bit to keep buyers coming.

There are always discounts cycling through photography equipment but the new models are usually exempt for a while.

This is, however, a drastic moment in economic history.

I've been contemplating the EM1 iii body.

Gary
I think its price stays or even gets higher. Shortage of supplies will make sure of that. No flooding the market will happen. so no price reduction.

Best, AIK
Amazon is hiring a 100,000 more workers to meet demand from stuck-at-home shoppers.
I’m not usually a fan of large Gorilla-type companies, but I am more than thankful that we have Amazon to help us through the next few months of self isolation.
AGreed if it works. right now, I have ordered 6 items, and none of them exist/out of stock. To be fair, they cannot be purchased locally also. They are all sold out, and stock does not exist.

So Can I expect Amazon to sell me those products, simply by them adding more people. Sounds like PR to me.
 
I take no pleasure in what the Corona virus is doing to the human population. We are moving gradually into lockdown here in the USA.

But I can't help wondering if in the weeks ahead the various manufacturers might discount the equipment a bit to keep buyers coming.

There are always discounts cycling through photography equipment but the new models are usually exempt for a while.

This is, however, a drastic moment in economic history.

I've been contemplating the EM1 iii body.

Gary
I think its price stays or even gets higher. Shortage of supplies will make sure of that. No flooding the market will happen. so no price reduction.

Best, AIK
Amazon is hiring a 100,000 more workers to meet demand from stuck-at-home shoppers.
I’m not usually a fan of large Gorilla-type companies, but I am more than thankful that we have Amazon to help us through the next few months of self isolation.
AGreed if it works. right now, I have ordered 6 items, and none of them exist/out of stock. To be fair, they cannot be purchased locally also. They are all sold out, and stock does not exist.

So Can I expect Amazon to sell me those products, simply by them adding more people. Sounds like PR to me.
Amazon will fall victim to supply chain issues like everyone else, that is true. But, if they can save me a trip or two to an exposure prone shopping mall, I’ll be appreciative..... not to mention the plethora of streaming entertainment via Amazon Prime. I suspect that Amazon is needing to hire on additional warehouse and delivery staff. The question is whether they will continue to need them after the virus threat is over. Perhaps this current crisis will be the stressor that finally does in many of the weaker retail chains, and those additional Amazon jobs become permanent.
 
I take no pleasure in what the Corona virus is doing to the human population. We are moving gradually into lockdown here in the USA.

But I can't help wondering if in the weeks ahead the various manufacturers might discount the equipment a bit to keep buyers coming.

There are always discounts cycling through photography equipment but the new models are usually exempt for a while.

This is, however, a drastic moment in economic history.

I've been contemplating the EM1 iii body.

Gary
I think its price stays or even gets higher. Shortage of supplies will make sure of that. No flooding the market will happen. so no price reduction.

Best, AIK
Amazon is hiring a 100,000 more workers to meet demand from stuck-at-home shoppers.
I’m not usually a fan of large Gorilla-type companies, but I am more than thankful that we have Amazon to help us through the next few months of self isolation.
AGreed if it works. right now, I have ordered 6 items, and none of them exist/out of stock. To be fair, they cannot be purchased locally also. They are all sold out, and stock does not exist.

So Can I expect Amazon to sell me those products, simply by them adding more people. Sounds like PR to me.
Amazon will fall victim to supply chain issues like everyone else, that is true. But, if they can save me a trip or two to an exposure prone shopping mall, I’ll be appreciative..... not to mention the plethora of streaming entertainment via Amazon Prime. I suspect that Amazon is needing to hire on additional warehouse and delivery staff. The question is whether they will continue to need them after the virus threat is over. Perhaps this current crisis will be the stressor that finally does in many of the weaker retail chains, and those additional Amazon jobs become permanent.
I hope it works. Today, during the Presidential address, they suggested not entering stores, restaurants etc, but to call ahead and take roadside delivery when ready. Even Walmart and others were doing it too, some even delivering to the house for a fee.

I ordered $ 100 worth of food, which was promised to be delivered next day at home. I received $ 8 worth of food with a delivery fee of $ 10. $ 92 worth of food was not delivered as it was in short supply, yet they took the order online.

Would you order $ 8 worth of food and pay delivery fee of $ 10? I am going to return the whole thing and ask them for a refund of $ 18. I bet they will not refund the delivery fee, I was told by the delivery man, that they work for some one else!
 
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Hardly a description of robber baron economy.

The automobile replaced the horseless carriage. Should we go back? Jobs were moved, not lost. There is more employment, greater productivity. Everyone benefits from faster transportation, communications.

Secretaries replaced by word processing now do something better than typing. It was liberating. IBM was a predatory company. IBM didn't get the PC business. They gave the operating system to MSFT in the dumbest business deal of the century, maybe history. Now MSFT dominates and IBM limps along. Watson sabotaged the competition's equipment to prove his was better. He was ruthless. They did not allow MSFT to flourish. They didn't know what to do, were caught flatfooted. They tried to compete in the OS business whne it grew big and made money and hardware lost money. They failed. Then they sold the hardware business to the Chinese. They tried the cloud. Now they bought RedHat. They can't find a strategy.

What happened to VisiCalc? Word Perfect? MSFT didn't get into the application business. They didn't need to. They already had a monopoly of the operating systems,, software development and languages. That was an easy fort to hold. MSFT destroyed Netscape which is what finally got them in trouble with the Feds and caused Gates to step down from the day to day operations of the company. He stepped off the board of directors this month - to pursue a full time career in charity. There was a time after Netscape that no software startup could be funded. The investment community thought they would be Netscaped. Software companies didn't want to innovate or bring new products to market in fear MSFT would copy them, add them to Windows, give them away for nothing and put them out of business. OEMs didn't dare show their software to MSFT.

A lot of the history is ugly but I would not want to turn back the clock. I was around in the 1950's. Life was simpler but not easier. Same characters, different cast.
 
It is up to the government to collect taxes. It is not a volunteer activity.
 
Me too, and I love the way they save me a trip to BestBuy when I need a $1 item. I don't know how they deliver this same day with free delivery but I know I like it.
 
I've been on the Blue Apron program for a long time. They deliver 3 meals for two people every week for $72, tax and delivery included. I do the cooking. Since I live by myself it lasts nearly a week.

They source food from small local organic farmers, buy fee range chicken and grass fed beef, growth hormone and antibiotic free. Its sustainable ranching and farming.

I eat the best in my life. The freshest, the best quality, interesting recipes. They put the grocery chains to shame while saving me time, gas and virus exposure.

So far they haven't missed a delivery. There is no sign of it so far. Its early days I'm afraid, but since this is a subscription model their business probably won't spike and small suppliers can probably stick with them. I hope the model keeps working. Its been great for me.
 
I've been on the Blue Apron program for a long time. They deliver 3 meals for two people every week for $72, tax and delivery included. I do the cooking. Since I live by myself it lasts nearly a week.

They source food from small local organic farmers, buy fee range chicken and grass fed beef, growth hormone and antibiotic free. Its sustainable ranching and farming.

I eat the best in my life. The freshest, the best quality, interesting recipes. They put the grocery chains to shame while saving me time, gas and virus exposure.

So far they haven't missed a delivery. There is no sign of it so far. Its early days I'm afraid, but since this is a subscription model their business probably won't spike and small suppliers can probably stick with them. I hope the model keeps working. Its been great for me.
What is happening today, has never happened before even during the great depression. San Francisco and New York on lock down or Quarantined, others may soon follow. This is unprecedented.

The government is funding everyone with money to prevent a crash. If it holds together for one month, we might make it. Second month onwards is dangerous.

Within 60 calender days from Feb 19 stock market high, 50 % decline is a stock market crash. We went down 30 % from high on Monday. 20 % down from high is bear market.
 
Governor Cuomo says he expects caseload to peak in New York in 45 days. If true this isn't a 24 month problem.
Politicians rarely know the truth even in the best of times. What confidence do you have in this pronouncement?
"The Imperial College London group reported that if nothing was done by governments and individuals and the pandemic remained uncontrolled, 510,000 would die in Britain and 2.2 million in the United States over the course of the outbreak."

March 16, 2020 -- The Washington Post
 
Governor Cuomo says he expects caseload to peak in New York in 45 days. If true this isn't a 24 month problem.
Politicians rarely know the truth even in the best of times. What confidence do you have in this pronouncement?
"The Imperial College London group reported that if nothing was done by governments and individuals and the pandemic remained uncontrolled, 510,000 would die in Britain and 2.2 million in the United States over the course of the outbreak."

March 16, 2020 -- The Washington Post
Wow. In 1918 swine flu, 675,000 died in US with a population of 103 million.

This estimate is worse, 2.2 million deaths with a population of say 303 million.
 
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