With rumors of a Z8, where does the Z7 fit in?

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Re: With rumors of a Z8, where does the Z7 fit in?

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Justin Riney wrote:

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Droster wrote:

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HeavyDuty wrote:

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jtosbo00 wrote:

I don’t see any Z series camera being an equivalent of the D5/D6 cameras right now or in the future. A major distinction is that these cameras are about speed. Increasing the megapixels is going to hinder a camera’s speed capabilities. The Z8, if rumors are correct on the 60mb, is not a D5/D6 (or sports camera) equivalent but simply a pro landscape camera.

You’re right, the Z8 is not going to be a D6 equivalent. The D6 equivalent will be a Z9 and it won’t be out till late summer early fall 2021.

I have to wonder how much face was lost by not having a Z line A9 competitor ready for the Tokyo Olympics...

Zero.

Because the people shooting those events have been using the Canon and Nikon flagship DSLRs forever and they don't really care.

We will see eventually more a9 cameras at top tier sporting events not because people are switching but because people are moving up from the lower tier bodies up to the a9.

So for Nikon, the question is how soon and how well they can release an a9 competitor now that we've the Z6 for almost two years now for us current and future owners to move up to.

They don’t need an A9 competitor, they will need a mirrorless D6 competitor, eventually. But the A9 isn’t the same class of camera.

Exactly. They don't need to be the same class of camera. The most sensible way of doing things would be to keep the $6,500 for the D6, and then do a $4,500 flagship mirrorless body. It's not going to be a double CFexpress, built-in grip mirrorless D6. It's not meant to replace the D6. Not for the first pass anyway.

Well, no, what I meant is that the D6 & 1DXm3 define one class of camera and the A9 defines another class below it. The Z equivalent of the D6 (Z9?) will most likely be the same class of camera as the D6, it will most likely cost ~$6.5K, and it (and its descendants) will be meant to eventually replace the D6. I think we'll see it around September 2021.

You're correct and that's the whole point. The flagship mirrorless doesn't have to be in that same class. It doesn't need to because those flagship DSLRs won't be going away any time in the foreseeable future.

The main task for at least the first version of the Z8 and Z9 is not to replace the D850 and the D6, but to see how far the Z mount and the bodies can go. In that regard, even though I personally wouldn't want a 60MP Z8, I can see why it's kinda inevitable.

Nikon marketing at their 100 year was F mount got us here, and now Z mount will carry us the next 100. In so many words. I think it’s a bit short sighted and perhaps a little bit of denial to think they won’t be bringing the D6 to mirrorless.

Yes, apparently I wasn't being clear enough. I expect that the first generation of the Z9 will be equivalent or superior to the D6, and priced equivalently.

And you’re setting yourself up for another “Z7 is not a D850” style of disappointment.

So no, I’m playing the Debbie Downer role here and say I fully expect the first version or maybe even the second version Z9 to not be the same price and at the same class as the D6 so long as the flagships are in play.

Before they make that Z9 a D6-class camera, they need to ask this question: Who is going to buy that camera? Only the very top of the top and the very rich will get it. Two things need to happen. 1) The current crop of flagship users break their current cameras and move on to the flagship mirrorless cameras and 2) the current crop of mirrorless move up to an a9 class of cameras.

The former isn’t happening for at least the next five years. The latter is slowly happening with the a9. The keyword being slowly. With Nikon it’s going to happen slowly too.

The conditions are not right in current circumstances for a $6,500 mirrorless flagship to exist. We may even see Sony pull an a9+ at $6,500 in the future first before Nikon does. So unless Sony makes that move first, especially with its larger installed user base, Nikon will likely not make a similar Z9+ move before Sony.

TL;DR: Not going to happen without a base of users to buy that camera. Limited traction in converting current flagship DSLR users to trickle in, especially at the same price. So base of users need time to build from scratch. It will start as it's own thing, and first couple of versions are going to be work-in-progress versions as people get their hands on it and hand in feedback for improvement. It won't be a $6,500 flagship on day one.

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