Does the new R5 change your roadmap?

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Ed Rizk Veteran Member • Posts: 3,898
Re: Forget the R5, look at the 24-105mm f/4.0-7.1

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The new RF 24-105mm f/4.0-7.1 is the same length as the EF-M 18-150mm and only marginally fatter and heavier. The new 24-105mm f/4.0-7.1 lens sounds slow, but if this was a crop lens, it would be equivalent to a 15-65mm f/2.5-4.5. Who here wouldn't love a 15-65mm f/2.5-4.5 lens for the M system?

Maybe, but I'd take the M6II with 18-150 over the RP with the new 24-105 any day. The RP has around 2/3 stop ISO advantage over the M6II, so, in the overlapping parts of the zoom range, you're getting maybe 1/3-1/2 stop IS advantage. If I had to have a camera with just one lens, I'd much rather have the large performance advantages of the M6II, and the considerable extra range on the long end of the 18-150, than the fairly trivial ISO advantages of the RP and the extra wide-angle end of the 24-105.

however, I got the RF 24-105 F4 L which is not trivial advantage on the RP

Which comes with a huge weight and cost disadvantage.

really, a 1 lbs body and a 1.5 lbs all around lens is huge?

$850 for a body and $899 for a great L is huge?

Actually, if I had to have a camera with just one lens, I'd probably opt for the M6II with either 22 F2 or 32 F1.4 over either of those choices.

very, very limiting

I prefer primes over zooms for the image quality. It is limiting,

hmm, limit

but thats part of the fun.

the fun

Plus the M50 or M6II with the 22mm is insanely light.

it doesn't fit in a jean pocket

btw - I carry my 2.5 lbs all arounder in one hand with wrist strap for hours

But, luckily for me, I don't have to have a camera with just one lens (that's the beauty of an ILC). I would love to have an R5, and some nice R lenses (though I already have plenty of EF lenses, including some L lenses, which I could use on it). But I'd probably still use my M6II more, because I take it with me pretty much everywhere I go, sometimes with just the 22 F2 on it.

I take my RP + RF 24-105 F4 L pretty much everywhere I go - it fits in my jacket pocket

The RF 24-105 F4L and my 100L are my favorite optics ever

I'm glad you're fine with the weight and size. But I would say for most people, that would be considered far from a pocketable travel setup.

I would say you can't fit m in a jeans pocket

I fit my 2.5 lbs RP + RF 24-105 F4L in jacket pocket

I'm glad that works for you! Too expensive and heavy for me. And you're only talking about one lens. If you wanted to carry a kit with you, the weight differences would become even larger, and the price gap would become larger.

when I carry a small bag, I put my T7i + 55-250 STM beside my RP + RF 24-105 F4L

that represents 24 - 400 FOV

Also, I can fit the M50 and 22mm in a jean pocket. Maybe your jeans are just tighter than mine! But your jacket looser than mine lol. And yes the difference is huge. The RP kit compared to an M kit would be a few times as expensive, and a few times as heavy. So yea, that's a huge difference!

now my 24-400 fov in favor of your 35 fov is what I call HUGE

I'm not sure what exactly you're getting at. I'm not comparing the 22mm to your 2 camera, 2 lens setup.

you spoke about "most" above

"most" carry an iPhone over trying to fit an m50/22 or m6II/22 in a jean's pocket

I said most people wouldn't consider an RP with 24-105l to be a light setup. Had nothing to do with smartphones, or comparing the 22mm to your setup.

for what it is - a 1 LBS FF for $850 and the best ever 1.5 Lbs 24-105 L for $899 with 5 stop IS, nano focus, and a control ring for EC - most photographers wouldn't consider this great all arounder huge in price nor huge in size nor huge in weight

Both sides of this discussion make sense to me.

with an m50/22 - what rick is saying - it doesn't make sense to me - this is ff equivalent of 35 f3.2 without IS and the older, noisier 24 mpxl sensor - I'd rather carry iPhone 11

The old sensor is still going to beat a phone.   The phone now has a better selection of lenses, but the distortion on the ultra wide phone lens is horrendous.   There is no tele or macro lens at all.

I took a trip recently where I had to travel light, because it was a plane trip where I couldn't check baggage. I took the R with the RF 24-105 and the RF 35. The combination was easy enough to carry. It was a trip to see friend, so there was not a lot of opportunity to take landscapes or wildlife. There was no grand architecture. The combination covered everything I needed for that kind of trip.

great travel kit

Yes it was , but only for family and friend pictures.

On a more scenic trip with more time to shoot, it would have been hard to take a versatile selection of lenses with the R. With the M, you can take a full set of lenses with you everywhere without difficulty or aggravation. An 11-22, an 18-150, and a couple of prime lenses would fit in a couple of big jacket pockets or a small bag light enough to carry all day and small enough to take on an airplane without checking baggage.

if I get m, it would be if they release 32 mpxl m5ii with ibis - i'd use it with 11-22, 32, 56

I’d like that too, or even an M50ii.

but I'd still take my rp + rf 24-105 L

You have to make a ton of compromises in focal lengths and some compromises in IQ in low light with that kit, compared to a similar selection with the R. But you can take any kind of picture anywhere you go.

the m has no bright zooms - which is the issue

also the m6ii is nice with eye focus and snappy, but can't share flash and evf

I don’t use flash much, but that clip on EVF is pretty goofy looking.   I may get one eventually, but I really want a 5 or a 50 with the new sensor instead, if Canon makes one.

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