Does the new R5 change your roadmap?

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thunder storm Senior Member • Posts: 3,433
Re: Forget the R5, look at the 24-105mm f/4.0-7.1
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LMOE wrote:

nnowak wrote:

The new RF 24-105mm f/4.0-7.1 is the same length as the EF-M 18-150mm and only marginally fatter and heavier. The new 24-105mm f/4.0-7.1 lens sounds slow, but if this was a crop lens, it would be equivalent to a 15-65mm f/2.5-4.5. Who here wouldn't love a 15-65mm f/2.5-4.5 lens for the M system?

Now, consider that the EOS RP is only marginally bigger and heavier than the M50. Most of the size difference comes from the larger grip on the RP Add this new $400 zoom lens to the RP and you have a pretty compact package with potential image quality better than any zoom lens in the M system. In a kit, this lens will be even cheaper. This would likely put a kit with the RP and new 24-105mm within $100 of the M6 II, 15-45mm and EVF.

I would not be so worried about the specific health of the M system. I would be worried about the future of all crop sensors cameras from Canon. I am starting to think that Canon has a long term plan to leverage their internal sensor production to push full frame cameras to all levels of the market. Instead of going head to head with crop sensor cameras like the Sony A6400 or Fuji X-T30, Canon is going to push small, stripped down full frame cameras and lenses to those price points. 7D users will likely be out of luck too. The new R5 appears to be the spiritual successor to the 5D series. When shooting in a crop mode, the R5 could produce images with at least 15MP. The only real advantage a 7D would have over the R5 is price. The R5 could replace both the 5D and 7D series. The R6 could replace both the 6D and 90D series. The RP, or future smaller version, could replace the 8Ti Rebel and M5 series. The only camera I don't see getting a direct full frame replacement is the M100/M200, but how long will those models last with the progress of smartphones?

"with potential image quality better than any zoom lens in the M system".

This is key. At $400 I would expect any advantages of FF will be lost on the poor optical quality of this lens. There is a reason for such a low price. They chose size over IQ.

And the R system will never approach the small size of an M6 with primes. In some configurations it might get close, but overall it will never have the same flexibility.

My prediction is that new el cheapo RF zoom will blow any of those ef-m zooms out of the water. The surface of the rear glass is larger. That's the reason a full frame lens with the same quality of glass will provide more detailed IQ. It can even have worse quality glass and still give better IQ.

If Canon can't manage this new lens to be better than the ef-m zooms they did a pretty bad job.

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