Lack of up to date pancakes in M43?

Osa25 wrote:

HRC2016 wrote:

The pancakes exist to display and take advantage of the m43 small size.

If you can't get good images with a lenses you have it's not a problem with the lens.

It’s for pocketabity. But the positioning of M43 has changed and pocketability no longer the difference in a phone-centric world.

You surely mean pocketability of the lenses, not the whole camera unit as such?

Because there are precious very few m43 camera combinations that fit in a pant or shirt pocket. The GM1 with the 14mm lens attached does fit a shirt pocket. Only a very few more combinations GM1 and GM5 will fit pant pockets. Cargo pants and jackets have a little more room, and may include just a very few more, but only just.

The 14mm is the smallest "real" lens we have. It was released in 2010. The GM1 is the smallest camera we have, it came out in 2012, the GM5 in 2013. And with them some pancake lenses that were designed on purpose for these cameras. And then ---- nothing! When it comes to small cameras and lenses, there was nothing but stagnation in the m43 world for the past 7 years. That's a long time. Too long.

So they are making bigger m43 bodies and the selling point is image quality vs phone not the size.

I disagree. The selling point is not IQ vs phones, it is now only IQ vs apsc and FF MLC.

If anything in the m43 world can even remotely compete with phones, it's the GM1 with just a handful select lenses. And without a GM1/5 successor in 7 years, that fight is now all but lost.