RLight wrote:
nnowak wrote:
RLight wrote:
nnowak wrote:
RLight wrote:
nnowak wrote:
Constantly repeating the phrase "class leading rolling shutter" does not make it true.
According to DPR...
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-m6-ii-review/2
17ms
Tops the list
Do you think that the entire crop sensor camera market consists of only 4 models?
Which other crop model has faster rolling shutter? Without cropping, no pun intended.
First, you need to recognize that the 17ms rating on the M6 II comes with major caveats. The M6 II reaches 17ms via pixel binning and line skipping during 4k recording. It is a full width readout, but very far from a full sensor readout. This is a bit like saying your set the world record for the 1500m when you only ran one lap around the track. If the M6 II was doing full sensor readout like the competition, the rolling shutter would be somewhere in the high 30's.
Switching from video to the 18mp RAW burst mode, your rolling shutter is in the mid 20 something millisecond range. When shooting regular photos with electronic shutter, you are now at 46ms. This is similar to the Sony cameras you like to complain about and far from class leading.
Regardless of all of the caveats with the M6 II, the Fuji X-T3 beats it with a 16ms rating while doing oversampled full sensor readout 4k video. That is class leading.
Source? Doesn't the X-T30 share the same sensor as the X-T3?
Doesn't the M50 share the same sensor with the M100.
Why would they have a different rating?
Different processors.
Oh wait, that 16ms is dependent on crop mode, that's right... That's "cheating" too... Except, who wants to use crop mode 100% of the time? Well, not me anyways.
What on earth are you talking about? The X-T3 does not have a crop when shooting 4k. There is only a 1.18X crop when shooting at 4k60p. Again, there is only a crop when shooting at 60p.
Last time we had this conversation, your source pointed to 16ms being dependent on crop-mode, if my memory serves me.
Your memory is failing
That's a worse "cheat" than what Canon's doing here. Although said "cheat" is useful for certain situations. The 90D has a crop mode in 4k (which the M6 II doesn't have...), which would be nice to have the option on the M6 Mark II when you subject is farther away... Maybe we'll get it alongside the 24P firmware update? Doubt it. Canon's not that nice.
Canon made the right choice IMO with "cheating" to get their 17ms rolling shutter. Perhaps Fuji should cheat too so they can match the 17ms, without cropping If you gave me a X-T3 and it had a 2.8k mode with 17ms rolling shutter and 4k mode with 23ms rolling shutter, I'd pick the 2.8k-17ms mode for most things and the 4k-23ms mode for things more detailed (macro, foliage, etc). Best of both worlds. But note which I'm picking more often... Options are good and I think the course Canon took was the right one for most folks as if you look at the rolling shutter of say a A6400, even at 30P (31ms), it's quite noticeable.
Are you done with your nonsense "cheating" rant? Since you can't seem to remember, I will say it again... The X-T3 has a 16ms rolling shutter while shooting 4k24/25/30p with downsampled full sensor readout, zero crop, and 4:2:0 10-bit 400 Mbps h.265 internal recording. the 16ms rating comes from Fuji, but Cinema5D's own testing measured 9ms when shooting 4k25p.