MikeB_2018 wrote:
sportyaccordy wrote:
ZX11 wrote:
MikeB_2018 wrote:
The R, while still smaller and less comfortable to grip than my DSLRs was infinitely more comfortable than the Sony cameras. So the R really was a great camera at the right time. I do hope Canon will make a higher MP, dual card, IBIS version that is a bit more on the pro side, but the R is so good I bought a second as I shift over to mostly all RF lenses.
The R has more MP than the 1Dx.
1Dx owners are also saying they hope Canon will make a higher MP, and IBIS, version of the 1Dx that is a bit more on the pro side. Right?
Why is the 1Dx used by photographers for work, somewhat considered "pro", but the R with more MP and the very same IBIS as the 1Dx, not pro enough due specifically to those specs?
IBIS is pro? It sounds like a unique use feature. It needs no IS lens, low light, handheld, and a static subject to all be happening at once for IBIS to be handy. A feature that makes the camera a lot less durable. IBIS in a pro camera?
It would make more sense to say the R needs more frames per second, two card slots (three?), better weatherproofing, and faster/more-accurate AF to be considered pro.
I haven't heard of any IBIS failures. And it can be useful for some pros- I'm certain many pros shoot with unstabilized fast primes.
I decided to give the R another shot. 3 things really pushed me over: 1, the big upgrades in Eye-AF with the FW, 2, the fact that the RF 24-105 + 35 1.8, truly the only 2 lenses I need, are both better and much cheaper than the FE versions, and 3 obviously these big holiday sales. Waiting for mine to get shipped... hopefully it will be here at Christmas.
Canon doesn't have all the bells and whistles but I love the way Canon renders, and while I will miss Sony's customizability the R is nicer to use overall.
Sporty,
Enjoy your new R. the update to the Eye AF definitely helps, especially as one uses some of the incredibly fast f/1.2 primes or the f/2 28-70.
ZX11 - for me pro features are more about the build quality, weatherproofing and layout of the camera. But, in order to stay on the competitive edge, Canon has to bring a feature set to the R that other competitors' cameras bring to the table - professional or otherwise. IBIS is standard in most every other manufacturer's mirroless offerings. There is no reason can't or shouldn't have it.
Dual card slots is also standard for almost all cameras as this level pro or not.
Higher MP is also par for the course. More importantly, for those of us who shoot a mix of beauty, portraits and landscape it's certainly something to be considered. I also do custom printing on my 44" printer. So the features you see as not important are in fact important to me. And I do make money as a photographer so I would consider myself professional and have over 40 years of doing this. So you have your wants/needs and I have mine.
And one thing I have learned with photography is that it's not really fair to state one set of features is more "professional" vs others due to your own needs. Sports photographers, don't often need or want too high of a MP sensor as it slows down the speed which they can capture images. Even the Sony a9 has far fewer MP but has faster FPS than the 61mp a7rIV. Yet a fine art, portrait or landscape photographer would want higher MP and not need high FPS. So it's all relative to the "professional's" need for their specific type of photography.
One thing I wish Canon would do is what they used to do for the 1D series before the X. They had the same, integrated body, weather-sealing, fast processing etc in both a higher MP 1ds camera and the lower res, 1.3x crop, faster sports 1d camera. That way a pro could have whichever option was best for them but still have the same build quality and camera layout. So you could shoot sports with the 1d and do a portrait or landscape shoot with the 1ds and have the same basic camera. I wish they would do that with the R.
I for one love the build and design of the 1 series and wish they would make a complimentary pair of R cameras like that. Does that mean it's more professional and what you need? Probably not, but I know I would like it.
You said, "And one thing I have learned with photography is that it's not really fair to state one set of features is more "professional" vs others due to your own needs."
Took the words right out of my mouth.
It makes this earlier statement confusing to me, "I do hope Canon will make a higher MP, dual card, IBIS version that is a bit more on the pro side"
Maybe I don't understand what it is saying. Dual cards makes sense for a lot of important photos. Is the IBIS and more megapixels a set of features more "professional" vs others due to your own needs? Though you do suggest that due to other company's mirrorless offerings, Canon should follow suit.
That the R should follow Sony's A7mkIII features to be considered pro, and not follow the 5DmkIV and the 1Dx (Nikon D1) to be considered pro is confusing. Living in backwards world. Next I will hear the R should follow the tiny Sony RX100 with a removable EVF and a pop up flash (needed by some). And hear that the 1Dx is playing catch up to the A7mkIII (in some ways true).
