Any reason NOT to buy a Fujifilm XT-3 as a first camera?

utterlybutterly said:

OK, so it's expensive, and I get that, and I would have to save up some money to get it for xmas. A standard kit lense of XF 18-55mm + accessories

Aside from that, what initially prompted me to want an actual camera was that I wanted to start my own youtube channel and my phone's selfie camera is bad and sticking a mirror on the back of it doesn't equal the frame. I wanted to have high quality videos, even if it's mostly a talking head lol and 4k 60fps 10bit seems pretty future proof. Also, if I'm starting a youtube channel, there needs to be an accompanying Instagram etc so taking good quality pictures will also come in handy if social media presence grows.

I also had the (half-cocked?) idea that if I was going to buy an expensive camera, I'd obviously learn to use it well and maybe make the money back by offering amateur wedding photography at amateur prices. I hear there are a lot of cowboys out there and at least my pitch will be honest, I'll them straight up that I'll try my best but if they don't like it they shouldn't have cheaped out

I know nothing about cameras until I started researching into what I might want to buy, having only ever used auto mode on a smartphone.

The other 4k 60fps camera I found was the Panasonic GH5 (video) /G9 (photo). And a cheaper all rounder a Canon G7x MK III with 4k 30fps which was titled "ultimate vlogging phone" in some article I found. I'd maybe settle with 1080 60fps and good photos / external mic / hdmi monitor out top mount or 180 articulated selfie screen from older models but I don't know what.

So aside from the money, which I'd be looking to save by buying a grey import from HK, is there any reason not to get a Fujifilm XT-3 as someone's first camera? I don't think you can shorten the camera's life by being a noob and it seems like something I'd never need upgrading from for the rest of my life?

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utterlybutterly said:

Out of interest, why do you have both the X-T3 and the X-T30? When one of them is a higher model and neither of them are cheap to begin with?

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Greybeard2017 said:

utterlybutterly said:

OK, so it's expensive, and I get that, and I would have to save up some money to get it for xmas. A standard kit lense of XF 18-55mm + accessories

Aside from that, what initially prompted me to want an actual camera was that I wanted to start my own youtube channel and my phone's selfie camera is bad and sticking a mirror on the back of it doesn't equal the frame. I wanted to have high quality videos, even if it's mostly a talking head lol and 4k 60fps 10bit seems pretty future proof. Also, if I'm starting a youtube channel, there needs to be an accompanying Instagram etc so taking good quality pictures will also come in handy if social media presence grows.

I also had the (half-cocked?) idea that if I was going to buy an expensive camera, I'd obviously learn to use it well and maybe make the money back by offering amateur wedding photography at amateur prices. I hear there are a lot of cowboys out there and at least my pitch will be honest, I'll them straight up that I'll try my best but if they don't like it they shouldn't have cheaped out

I know nothing about cameras until I started researching into what I might want to buy, having only ever used auto mode on a smartphone.

The other 4k 60fps camera I found was the Panasonic GH5 (video) /G9 (photo). And a cheaper all rounder a Canon G7x MK III with 4k 30fps which was titled "ultimate vlogging phone" in some article I found. I'd maybe settle with 1080 60fps and good photos / external mic / hdmi monitor out top mount or 180 articulated selfie screen from older models but I don't know what.

So aside from the money, which I'd be looking to save by buying a grey import from HK, is there any reason not to get a Fujifilm XT-3 as someone's first camera? I don't think you can shorten the camera's life by being a noob and it seems like something I'd never need upgrading from for the rest of my life?

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Digital cameras are not future proof.

If it was me I'd get something that works now - do you really need 4K 60 fps?

The Fuji XT3 is not brilliant for selfie youtube videos - the screen doesn't rotate and allow you to see yourself while filming.

If there are other things about Fuji cameras you like then maybe consider the X-T30.

(I have both the X-T3 and X-T30 and love both cameras but not sure I'd recommend the X-T3 in your situation).

And personally I'd avoid a grey import for expensive complex electronics - maybe one of the cheaper lenses but not a top of the line camera - second hand with warranty from a local retailer might be worth considering.

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CESA said:

Although I don't have the X-T3 I must disagree here. Even if the X-T3 does not have a flip screen, the AF system is so good that you don't need the flip screen. Your face will always be in focus.

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utterlybutterly said:

Hi yeah, I'd need something like a Neewer 7 inch monitor to be mounted on top of the camera.

As for "other things", Fujifilm is supposed to be a good make with good still picture image quality

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utterlybutterly said:

and I've seen some videos of 4k Eterna film simulation mode without any PC post processing that looked really awesome?

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utterlybutterly said:

And also the auto focus is good?

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utterlybutterly said:

So I just point it at myself and it'll be alright if I turn my head and move my face. I've seen some YouTube videos of some cheaper Panasonics

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utterlybutterly said:

that would blur when people turned their head.

Out of interest, why do you have both the X-T3 and the X-T30? When one of them is a higher model and neither of them are cheap to begin with?

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Alex Ethridge said:

utterlybutterly said:

Hi yeah, I'd need something like a Neewer 7 inch monitor to be mounted on top of the camera.

As for "other things", Fujifilm is supposed to be a good make with good still picture image quality

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All modern cameras have good still image quality. Fuji is not special in that area.

Alex Ethridge said:

and I've seen some videos of 4k Eterna film simulation mode without any PC post processing that looked really awesome?

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4K files are huge and post processing requires a lot of processor power and memory, not to mention the extra time.

Alex Ethridge said:

And also the auto focus is good?

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There are many cameras that have excellent real-time focus tracking -- and eye tracking.

Alex Ethridge said:

So I just point it at myself and it'll be alright if I turn my head and move my face. I've seen some YouTube videos of some cheaper Panasonics

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Cheaper cameras of any brand naturally don't have the latest, greatest of anything.

Alex Ethridge said:

that would blur when people turned their head.

Out of interest, why do you have both the X-T3 and the X-T30? When one of them is a higher model and neither of them are cheap to begin with?

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What I'm saying is this: Don't get stuck on one brand because you have seem some impressive results. If you want to see some impressive results, look at the Sony A6600. Real-time tracking doesn't get better that it.

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techie takes pics said:

You want selfies. The LCD screen is not forward-facing.

You will also spend a lot of money on the camera. The lens determines what you can do with it and because the camera already costs a lot of money, you will settle for a kit lens.

You' d be better of buying something much cheaper with an articulating screen and at least an extra lens - prime for nice bokeh and low-light; or tele-zoom for, well, zoom.

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utterlybutterly said:

techie takes pics said:

You want selfies. The LCD screen is not forward-facing.

You will also spend a lot of money on the camera. The lens determines what you can do with it and because the camera already costs a lot of money, you will settle for a kit lens.

You' d be better of buying something much cheaper with an articulating screen and at least an extra lens - prime for nice bokeh and low-light; or tele-zoom for, well, zoom.

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Hi, I am reading introductory materials into photography

https://photographylife.com/what-is-aperture-in-photography/amp

and what you are saying is right, I would need more than a standard kit lense to be able to take photos in different situation for different results.

I was thinking of buying a branded camera body and kit lense. But everything else will be third party from makes such as Mieke or Neewer.

https://www.fujirumors.com/the-rise-of-chinese-lenses-and-top-7-chinese-fujifilm-x-mount-lenses/

After buying a camera, I certainly will not have the money to buy camera manufacturer branded fast aperture prime lenses or telephoto.

So I was thinking of going full Chinese. Its not too bad right? A lot of Chinese stuff are very high quality now. I have a Neewer USB microphone and people who have tested it against $1k+ pro mics are hard pressed to recommend the pro gear for anyone who doesn't have it paid for or taken off for business expenses.

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Greybeard2017 said:

utterlybutterly said:

techie takes pics said:

You want selfies. The LCD screen is not forward-facing.

You will also spend a lot of money on the camera. The lens determines what you can do with it and because the camera already costs a lot of money, you will settle for a kit lens.

You' d be better of buying something much cheaper with an articulating screen and at least an extra lens - prime for nice bokeh and low-light; or tele-zoom for, well, zoom.

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Hi, I am reading introductory materials into photography

https://photographylife.com/what-is-aperture-in-photography/amp

and what you are saying is right, I would need more than a standard kit lense to be able to take photos in different situation for different results.

I was thinking of buying a branded camera body and kit lense. But everything else will be third party from makes such as Mieke or Neewer.

https://www.fujirumors.com/the-rise-of-chinese-lenses-and-top-7-chinese-fujifilm-x-mount-lenses/

After buying a camera, I certainly will not have the money to buy camera manufacturer branded fast aperture prime lenses or telephoto.

So I was thinking of going full Chinese. Its not too bad right? A lot of Chinese stuff are very high quality now. I have a Neewer USB microphone and people who have tested it against $1k+ pro mics are hard pressed to recommend the pro gear for anyone who doesn't have it paid for or taken off for business expenses.

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Remember that most of those lenses are manual focus

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Alex Ethridge said:

CESA said:

Although I don't have the X-T3 I must disagree here. Even if the X-T3 does not have a flip screen, the AF system is so good that you don't need the flip screen. Your face will always be in focus.

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Yes, it will be in focus but how can you know if you are properly framed or even in the frame at all if you can't see the screen.

And why add the extra weight and expense of a monitor and bracket to hold it when there are so many choices that have in-built, fully-articulating screens?

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CESA said:

Alex Ethridge said:

CESA said:

Although I don't have the X-T3 I must disagree here. Even if the X-T3 does not have a flip screen, the AF system is so good that you don't need the flip screen. Your face will always be in focus.

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Yes, it will be in focus but how can you know if you are properly framed or even in the frame at all if you can't see the screen.

And why add the extra weight and expense of a monitor and bracket to hold it when there are so many choices that have in-built, fully-articulating screens?

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As a beginner with his humble opinion I think that if you are sat in front of the camera vlogging and doing videos about whatever you will frame first your camera according to the scene you want.

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utterlybutterly said:

Alex Ethridge said:

utterlybutterly said:

Hi yeah, I'd need something like a Neewer 7 inch monitor to be mounted on top of the camera.

As for "other things", Fujifilm is supposed to be a good make with good still picture image quality

Click to expand...

All modern cameras have good still image quality. Fuji is not special in that area.

utterlybutterly said:

and I've seen some videos of 4k Eterna film simulation mode without any PC post processing that looked really awesome?

Click to expand...

4K files are huge and post processing requires a lot of processor power and memory, not to mention the extra time.

utterlybutterly said:

And also the auto focus is good?

Click to expand...

There are many cameras that have excellent real-time focus tracking -- and eye tracking.

utterlybutterly said:

So I just point it at myself and it'll be alright if I turn my head and move my face. I've seen some YouTube videos of some cheaper Panasonics

Click to expand...

Cheaper cameras of any brand naturally don't have the latest, greatest of anything.

utterlybutterly said:

that would blur when people turned their head.

Out of interest, why do you have both the X-T3 and the X-T30? When one of them is a higher model and neither of them are cheap to begin with?

Click to expand...

What I'm saying is this: Don't get stuck on one brand because you have seem some impressive results. If you want to see some impressive results, look at the Sony A6600. Real-time tracking doesn't get better that it.

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Hi, I have looked up the model, it seems like the main differences are that it's a bit more expensive but has IBIS and 180 flip screen so does not need a gimbal or secondary monitor. Also has unlimited recording time, but 4k is 30fps rather than 60fps.

Interesting, if a firmware update took it to 60fps it would tick every box.

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24Peter said:

utterlybutterly said:

Alex Ethridge said:

utterlybutterly said:

Hi yeah, I'd need something like a Neewer 7 inch monitor to be mounted on top of the camera.

As for "other things", Fujifilm is supposed to be a good make with good still picture image quality

Click to expand...

All modern cameras have good still image quality. Fuji is not special in that area.

24Peter said:

and I've seen some videos of 4k Eterna film simulation mode without any PC post processing that looked really awesome?

Click to expand...

4K files are huge and post processing requires a lot of processor power and memory, not to mention the extra time.

24Peter said:

And also the auto focus is good?

Click to expand...

There are many cameras that have excellent real-time focus tracking -- and eye tracking.

24Peter said:

So I just point it at myself and it'll be alright if I turn my head and move my face. I've seen some YouTube videos of some cheaper Panasonics

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Cheaper cameras of any brand naturally don't have the latest, greatest of anything.

24Peter said:

that would blur when people turned their head.

Out of interest, why do you have both the X-T3 and the X-T30? When one of them is a higher model and neither of them are cheap to begin with?

Click to expand...

What I'm saying is this: Don't get stuck on one brand because you have seem some impressive results. If you want to see some impressive results, look at the Sony A6600. Real-time tracking doesn't get better that it.

Click to expand...

Hi, I have looked up the model, it seems like the main differences are that it's a bit more expensive but has IBIS and 180 flip screen so does not need a gimbal or secondary monitor. Also has unlimited recording time, but 4k is 30fps rather than 60fps.

Interesting, if a firmware update took it to 60fps it would tick every box.

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As others have said you definitely want a camera with a flip screen especially if you're going to walk around with it. The thing I would add is you're unnecessarily hung up on 60p. 4K 30p is fine for almost any purpose. Also 10bit isn't going to make your videos any better. There's more data for color grading etc but for YouTube selfie videos it's overkill. Also editing is way more important than everything else you are focused on. Do you know how to edit video?

Once your channel supports you and you have some experience then get better equipment.

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