Pen F users - some quick questions...

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MEDISN wrote:

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Sorry but I am not feeling like moving an inch to my body for your request when there's ample evidence around. And I clearly have and used a PenF as evidenced by multiple shots I have posted with it.

That's what I thought. Zero evidence as usual. I can provide plenty of photos from cameras I don't own lol that doesn't prove anything.

Keep repeating that. In the meantime I told you shots I have done, and you can look at the threads.

NONE of which show me the ability or inability of PEN-F CAF.

Yup, because I am not going to waste my time posting for my work with out of focus shots.

But don't bother looking to see if I have experience with Olympus cameras. Looking at threads in dpreview is too hard.

There's nothing to see. You know it and I know it.

Oh there is. It shows I have experience with Olympus cameras.

And it's not excuses. I have gone well beyond the ask to bring something only to 90% of the time being told that I don't know what I am doing, or why I am being so bad, or whatever. Sorry, I learned that lesson years ago.

No idea what you're talking about, just hiding behind excuses.

Yeah, you must be very right. I don't post any photos in this forum at all.

That wasn't stated. Nice try!

Oh but it sort of was. I mean, you couldn't find current shots in my website, or "a gallery here" at dpreview. I gave you an answer that demonstrates I have experience with Olympus cameras and you decided to ignore it.

You have some street photos from an EPL9 posted...some with EXIF, some without.

That last sentence alone shows how ridiculous your request is. I have many photos posted with Exif. And not just EPL9. In fact, I think I have more photos/threads with the PenF than the EPL9.

They are lovely pictures but I don't see how that's germane to your opinions on PEN-F CAF.

I am only saying that it does say I do have and posses experience with Olympus cameras. Lots actually. You can dig the threads all the way back to the 4/3rds e-300.

Now, this may very well not be you, but it's kind of an overall standard policy I am following these days. My last shots can be seen in a recent-this week EPL9 thread. The EPL9 does focusing better than the PenF, and the EPL9 is equally horrible at C-AF.

Can you show examples from cameras you've used that are not "horrible"? Just to provide some context. I would love to see what excellent looks like in your hands.

See above.

Is there a threshold for subject speed and direction that dictates acceptable CAF performance?

Probably but that will work for each individual differently. For you it seems to work ok. Generally speaking, C-AF should catch some reasonable amount of action- but again, if it works for you, what I am saying doesn't apply to you.

I use C-AF for portraits too - what is reasonable amount of action? Who defines this?

You can certainly use S-AF for portraits. You gotta ask, why James also agrees?

But I don't. DOF is often so shallow even a slightly moving photographer or subject requires constant re-focus while framing, shooting.

Keep ignoring that James said the same thing. But please, keep going after me only, I know I am special.

Like you keep ignoring what acfo said? James never replied.

I am surely not ignoring what acfo said because if you look carefully, we are involved in a dialog about this. I said I was going to go out with settings I confirmed from him today and check to be triple sure. What part of that did you miss?

Point is James made a claim that I also made. Sounds like there's something to it. James also has lots of experience with Olympus cameras.

The subject actually does move around the frame as I’m following her.

Not really. The frame seems rather constant in terms of position and sizable area.

lol how would you know this. I have centered each frame to the face. The face could be anwywhere in the frame. The video only shows 8MP out of 20MP.

You are right, how on Earth would I know you were not really showing the complete example. You got me!

So I was correct, you only now realize it.

Yes of course! You put an example a certain way, hard to say what's going on.

You can't accept it - it must pain you!

Hahahahaha. This is really funny actually

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Oh, I am only bringing reviewers as an objective "not someone over the net" source. I certainly care about what I can do.

What makes you think reviews are "objective"? Fortunately, what you can and cannot do does not constrain the rest of us.

They are more objective that fans, on average.

How so? Data to support this?

I think this is pretty self evident looking at claims from different people, the reviews, and the ones that have both systems. But I am not doing that homework for you. It will all end up in "not enough data" or such which is - as I stated earlier a couple of times- I don't do this anymore.

But you can verify I used to. Check out back in time when I explored in a lot of detail the dynamic range, and what happened with the Olympus e-620. I provided full evidence. I even encouraged people to download the raws and see for themselves. I even provided a step by step process by which everyone could verify by themselves imploring to not believe what I just said on face value.

It didn't help

It's also fortunate that what you can do and cannot do cannot constraint logical conclusions for the rest of us

Is your logic based on results? Can you share them? Why not?

My logic is based on my experience, so you could say on results. You can take my word for it given the demonstrable experience I have with Olympus cameras, or not.

This is the last time I say this- I am not doing anything for you :-)[]

Yes yes, because you already decided I have no experience with Olympus equipment even when I told you you can search for my photos here on threads n this forum :-). So typical to right?

Your experience or lack of doesn't affect others ability to use the features/equipment with success. You state: "Because it works pretty horrible." and yet others are demonstrating it works for them.

I am hardly the only one making he claim it works pretty bad. You can go after them too

Something you can't seem to do. acfo chimed in and said his works perfectly. Not sure why you're having trouble if you have two years experience with camera as you claim.

It's interesting James also mentioned this as a problem. But of course, you seem to like me more

It's interesting afco also mentioned this wasn't a problem. I replied to James' post if you recall. Only then did you jump in to defend your opinion.

You don't seem to go after him the way you do to me. But again, I appreciate being special

Asking for evidence to support your opinion is fair game. I'm sorry you never seem to produce any. If James wants to reply to my example I am more than happy to share how I achieve these results. You only seem interested in attacking anyone with a contrary opinion.

No, you can see the dialog that afco and I are on.

But if you are really curious, you can see I have lots of experience with Olympus Cameras if you bother to look.

A lot of experience? Great! Show me.

As I said above, I have posted multiple photographs with Olympus cameras.

lol, you keep saying that. You have 38,000 posts - where are these PEN-F, CAF samples hidden?

Oh wait, no no, don't change it now. You said I had like not much experience, no evidence of experience with Olympus. I said I had a lot of experience with them. That should have quite a bit of evidence, don't tell me you didn't bother! It's so easy.

So no examples of PEN-F with CAF. That's what I thought.

None for you. You thought correctly!

The most recent photos on your website are dated 2017.

Did you bother to just use d-preview's "threads started" and look for the ones with photos? Usually they are preceded by camera used. I mentioned I have posted here, or did you miss that? Didn't I reply to you my most recent shots are from this last week on EPL9? Or did you just filter that out?

Do those illustrate the CAF ability (or inability of the PEN-F)? You have no photos in your gallery here, no challenge photos in the last 10 years, only a whole lot of posts. Is there somewhere else you host your photos?

Read above. Also- no, I don't tend to use CAF on the PenF because it doesn't work well.

Saying it doesn't work well for you means nothing to me. Show me what you are shooting with CAF on ANY camera?

Obviously it doesn't. But perhaps if the claim can be establish that I have experience (lots of ) with Olympus cameras in 4/3rs, m43rds, perhaps that could give credence to the claim. But then you don't find my experience with the multiple shot threads I have posted in this forum with Olympus apparently enough to make the claim I have experience with such equipment- or perhaps you didn't bother to find the threads. Either way, not my problem.

You haven't posted CAF results from any camera. If you have, please bring them to light and quit pretending they're buried somewhere in your 38k posts I should know about. What are you hiding from?

I am not hiding from anything. I made the claim I have a lot of experience with Olympus cameras, and I gave you the way to verify that.

Anyhow, I am glad it works for you. Just warning the OP that it's not that good. Of course, other people have said the same thing, like James here. I guess he most be someone without experience too right?

Don't know what James is capable of and what he tries to shoot. He didn't qualify his statement with expectations or describe when and how the PEN-F disappoints him.

He did say forget about C-AF. Which is what I also said that you are in this very thread talking about no? Why am I so special then?

You replied to me first. You continue to say you struggle with CAF. I don't, and I posted a 30 shot sequence to that effect. You've demonstrated nothing to the contrary.

Again, he did say forget about C-AF. But again, you go after me in the special way. It's ok. I know you think I have no experience with Olympus camera, obviously you don't bother to check.

I replied to him. You replied to my reply! You are literally instigating because I showed evidence to the contrary and you can't stand it !! Hilarous!

I pointed out that your subject wasn't moving all that fast. Then you came back with the claim that this was a crop, that it was and what not. It's hard to say what's hilarious here if the results seem like rigged or something with no ability to see the conditions on the get go :-). I mean, subjects moving slow enough, lots of cameras get good hits on C-AF.

And of course, I won't bother one bit to post anything in this area for you :-). I learned my lesson about dpreview on that already

I would love to see more of your work. Too bad you bury it in random threads. You have a gallery here and hyperlink out that you don't seem to use.

You can just search for "threads started." It is true that I should get a nice portfolio website going - I concede that much. I don't use the gallery here because I am not a fan of giving my pictures over to facebook or amazon for storage.

This is my last post on this sub-thread.