Pen F users - some quick questions...

MEDISN wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

MEDISN wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

MEDISN wrote:

James Pilcher wrote:

Ben Herrmann wrote:

Hey gang...

I've always been a Pen user - love the format - so lately I've been getting stressed a bit when I found out that Olympus would no longer be making this line. So last week I purchased the Pen F at B&H. I already have the E-P5 and E-PL7.

My questions are these - and I know they are simple and right in front of my eyes, but I can't seem to find the information:

1. I want to shoot in RAW only, but the only choices I have in the menu structure are either JPG or RAW & JPG. What am I missing here - no setting for RAW only?

2. I was messing around with the settings this morning and I had the IS enabled in the menu. I'm using the Panny 12-60 on my Pen F. After adjust settings to my liking (or so I thought), all of a sudden the ability for me to turn on the IS is now blanked out? I have the lens-based IS turned off since the 5 Axs version in the Pen F is better. What other setting(s) that I may have adjusted affects the ability to access IS settings?

Thanking you in advance...

Enjoy that Pen F, Ben. It's a darling.

Get the Olympus OEM grip.

Forget CAF. Really. Don't even bother.

Why? Here’s a 30-shot sequence zoomed 1:1. Two of the 30 are slightly out of focus. C-AF is not something I normally use the PEN-F for but it works when I need it. It’s a slow burst rate though, probably my only complaint.

Because it works pretty horrible. Maybe doing a very slow moving approaching subject helps. Tracking works if you have someone in a group move a bit. But other than that, C-AF on the PenF is a complete joke. The EM5 MKii even does it a bit better.

Define horrible? Examples we can see?

Not posting examples. I traditionally post a lot of examples of things in the past and I get burned with and endless discussion between people who don't believe it, or think I just started to use Olympus cameras or photography or something else.

Save the excuses. I for one welcome your examples. If they illustrate your point, why not?

Sorry but I am not feeling like moving an inch to my body for your request when there's ample evidence around. And I clearly have and used a PenF as evidenced by multiple shots I have posted with it.

And it's not excuses. I have gone well beyond the ask to bring something only to 90% of the time being told that I don't know what I am doing, or why I am being so bad, or whatever. Sorry, I learned that lesson years ago.

Now, this may very well not be you, but it's kind of an overall standard policy I am following these days. My last shots can be seen in a recent-this week EPL9 thread. The EPL9 does focusing better than the PenF, and the EPL9 is equally horrible at C-AF.

Can you show examples from cameras you've used that are not "horrible"? Just to provide some context. I would love to see what excellent looks like in your hands.

See above.

Is there a threshold for subject speed and direction that dictates acceptable CAF performance?

Probably but that will work for each individual differently. For you it seems to work ok. Generally speaking, C-AF should catch some reasonable amount of action- but again, if it works for you, what I am saying doesn't apply to you.

I use C-AF for portraits too - what is reasonable amount of action? Who defines this?

You can certainly use S-AF for portraits. You gotta ask, why James also agrees?

The subject actually does move around the frame as I’m following her.

Not really. The frame seems rather constant in terms of position and sizable area.

lol how would you know this. I have centered each frame to the face. The face could be anwywhere in the frame. The video only shows 8MP out of 20MP.

You are right, how on Earth would I know you were not really showing the complete example. You got me!

As I said previously, the video is cropped to her face 1:1 as though it were centered there but I’m not responsive enough to keep the face centered while shooting.

Then I don't know.

Multiple users and multiple reviewers show this.

Ah, forgot who I was talking to. Of course you read this somewhere on the internet so this is what you echo. When someone posts actual experience that contradicts your narrative you do your best to cast doubt. So predictable.

Ah yes, let's go to the personal attack attempt. I thought for a moment you were being reasonable. But never mind I have had the PenF for like two years now, and all I can say is that my experience using C-AF with it validates what a lot of reviews are also saying.

But contradicts what this user is actually showing frame-by-frame. Why are you so concerned with what some reviewer said? Does the reviewer shoot with your hands or do you?

Oh, I am only bringing reviewers as an objective "not someone over the net" source. I certainly care about what I can do.

Of course the experience of one avid fan is more objective than someone who is reviewing a camera on a website. Pretty standard logic in this forum

I provided evidence to the contrary.

Doesn't seem like it, not with the movement you are showing. But then you may have captured super high resolution shots from a 4k video for all I know shot with something else. I mean, you keep telling me that the example you were showing doesn't show the full capture per se so I am at a loss here

Something you can't seem to do. acfo chimed in and said his works perfectly. Not sure why you're having trouble if you have two years experience with camera as you claim.

It's interesting James also mentioned this as a problem. But of course, you seem to like me more

But if you are really curious, you can see I have lots of experience with Olympus Cameras if you bother to look.

A lot of experience? Great! Show me.

As I said above, I have posted multiple photographs with Olympus cameras.

The most recent photos on your website are dated 2017.

Did you bother to just use d-preview's "threads started" and look for the ones with photos? Usually they are preceded by camera used. I mentioned I have posted here, or did you miss that? Didn't I reply to you my most recent shots are from this last week on EPL9?   Or did you just filter that out?

Do those illustrate the CAF ability (or inability of the PEN-F)? You have no photos in your gallery here, no challenge photos in the last 10 years, only a whole lot of posts. Is there somewhere else you host your photos?

Read above. Also- no, I don't tend to use CAF on the PenF because it doesn't work well.

Anyhow, I am glad it works for you. Just warning the OP that it's not that good. Of course, other people have said the same thing, like James here. I guess he most be someone without experience too right?

Don't know what James is capable of and what he tries to shoot. He didn't qualify his statement with expectations or describe when and how the PEN-F disappoints him.

He did say forget about C-AF. Which is what I also said that you are in this very thread talking about no? Why am I so special then?