Gave The GX7 MkII Another Go...

MrALLCAPS wrote:

mmartel wrote:

My most used lens with my GX7ii as you insist upon calling it is the 14-140mm zoom. Also, you'd be shocked by how many people claim to shoot and enjoy the Pen F with 12-100mm f4. 🤷‍♂️

Also, Jacques is right about DXO prime NR and pretty much everything else he tried to correct you on.

Youcan choose not to use DXO Prime. But to claim that it doesn't produce final results that are very close to APS-C images handled with LR without any experience yourself on this point is, how shall I say this, willful ignorance.

I have M43, APS-C and Full Frame kits. Let's just say I use DXO prime for all of them...

Physics still reigns supreme, that's what.

Wrong. Digital photography isn't "just physics." Its optics, hardware, and software.

And if the end result is that there's no meaningful difference in a blind test of whatever the desired output is (say, an 8x12" or 11x14" print), then physics actually does not reign supreme. It actually makes no meaningful difference at all in a blind test.

But whatever. "Physics reigns supreme" seems to give you good feels, so I'm all for your continuing to roll with it. 🤷

Oh wait, it there may be some issues with x-trans algorithm because DXO never messed with Fuji X, they didn't even review their sensors to this day. So who's ignorant? Shouldn't DXO cater to All camera systems, not just Bayer sensor cameras? At least Adobe tries to work with X-Trans. Maybe it's DXO that's Ignorant, Lazy...

This isn't about DXO its support or lack thereof for Fuji. It's that you cannot and could not be bothered to try DxO Prime for yourself because "physics reigns supreme." That's a choice to remain ignorant. I.e., willful ignorance.

1. I know because I tested a Fuji XT-20 against the "GX-7 ii" for a week before deciding the ultimate image quality from RAWs processed with DXO Prime vs Fuji with Lightroom were close enough that image quality differences were not significant in my final decision to go with micro43 (though the Fuji was still very slightly better). Also my prior was DSLR system was Nikon DX so I have a decade with APS-C under my belt for comparison.

So yeah.

Yeah, so you used one Software/system vs another and Drew your conclusion. Now let's say I do the same thing with Capture One with the Fuji and Lightroom with the Lumix. Guess which one comes out on top? -Heres a hint, Fujifilm. And again, I have them all, for me, it's not even slightly better, it's Clearly better. But again, that's my opinion.

At the time I was testing, I tested RAW conversions with Lighroom, Darktable, RawTherapee, DxO, and PhotoNinja. I confess that I did not test with Capture One, which I have heard is very good with Fuji images.

I will download a trial, if one is offered, and give it a fair go with my old Fuji and Panasonic test images.

By the way, I looked at Jacque’s images and there was a lot of noise. A lot.

I can't speak for his images or how he processed the images you looked at, or how you viewed them for that matter.

Clearly, many people who are sensitive to noise or need to shoot at higher ISOs find m43 beyond their tolerance. You seem to be among them.

I do find it curious, though, to some people who criticize m43 don't seem to acknowledge that larger sensors also have noise in them too when pixel peeping. Maybe you are among them, maybe not.

Here's DPReview's comparison studio of ISO 800. Just 800. Including the fabulous Nikon D850.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=panasonic_dmcg85&attr13_1=fujifilm_xh1&attr13_2=oly_em5ii&attr13_3=nikon_d850&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=800&attr16_1=800&attr16_2=800&attr16_3=800&attr126_2=1&attr171_0=1&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0.09016697588126164&y=0.4970216921610049

What do I see? Viewed 100%, there's noise in the shadows. A lot.

Real question is, how will you deal with the noise and how well do the results work for you.

Fuji is a very nice system too. If someone gave me an XH1 or XT30 I'd keep it and enjoy it. I wish you continued happy shooting, whatever your choices.