dpreviewTV: EF-M 22mm F2 not "ideal" for the M6 Mk II?

nnowak wrote:

RLight wrote:

nnowak wrote:

RLight wrote:

The latest RF 50mm, 85mm f/1.2L's have no peer (f/1.2 lens with that high of performance). Or for that matter, how many other mfgs have f/1.2 primes? Not many. They often stop at f/1.4.

You seem to be forgetting that Nikon even exists. Their Z roadmap lists 35mm f/1.2, 50mm f/1.2 and 85mm f/1.2

I'll be (very) happy if Nikon does this, or even survives to be blunt. Competition is good, but, IMO, Nikon's future is very uncertain.

Nikon's future is no less uncertain than Canon's. Nikon put the brakes on the overabundance of bottom feeder DSLR models years before Canon. Nikon appears to be heading towards a single mirrorless mount for all sensor formats. I am not suggesting Canon is going to fail, but Nikon has been making some smarter long term moves than Canon. I think Nikon's financials have already hit bottom, but I think Canon still has some more pain ahead.

Neither one of those companies has a particularly "uncertain" future.  Cameras are not going away.   Back in the days of film, camera sales were lower than they are now and still supported several camera companies.

There will be a smaller selection of cameras by each company and upgrades will come less often.

Nobody, has a 11-24 f/4L.

Sony has the FE 12-24mm f/4.0 G and Fuji has an equivalent XF 8-16mm f/2.8. If you are bragging about the lens being 1mm wider than the competition, you had better take a look at the image quality at 11mm first.

They do. It's not 11mm. EF mount is going to be less than stellar on the wide end in the corners due to the flange benefit the FE has... I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts if DXO does a benchmark on both the 11-24 and the Sony 12-24, the Canon will be center-sharper, and the Sony 12-24 will be corner sharper.

Sounds like you agree the Sony is the better extreme wide angle zoom.

I'm also willing to bet dollars to donuts the RF 15-35 f/2.8L won't have a peer when tested which will have the flange benefit of RF mount.

Until Nikon launches their 14-24mm f/2.8

Canon's great whites?

Have you seen the Nikon PF Telephotos? In case you weren't aware, PF is Nikon's version of Canon's DO. And how many years did it take before Canon finally built some wide angle lenses that weren't garbage? For a very long time, Nikon ruled the wide angles and Canon ruled the telephotos, but that was years ago. There will be plenty of professionals on the sidelines of the upcoming summer Olympics shooting with Nikon and Sony telephoto lenses.

I'm well aware. Now Canon rules both.

No, they don't. If Canon is as fantastic as you claim, why are such a significant number of photographers shooting with Nikon?

Canon still has the largest share.

Beg to differ, ahem.

I am not trying to disparage Canon glass, but you seem to be completely unaware of the fantastic lenses being produced by other manufacturers.

Sigma makes some fine glass, if you ask me. As does Sony and Nikon. But, you've failed to demonstrate how, today, they have more breadth, and depth in offerings. Not yesterday, not tomorrow, today.

Sony has far more mirrorless lenses than Nikon and Canon combined and many are truly excellent. Where is the Canon equivalent to the Nikon 200-500mm f/5.6 or the Nikon 120-300mm f/2.8?

Looking at your previous post in this thread about lens selection, I agree with you to an extent.  I like the Z offerings better than the R offerings.   If you have to have a "mirrorless" lens, Sony is the best option, and Fuji is the only other option with a complete selection.

Canon, however beats them all with the ability to use EF lenses to their fullest capability.

I'll buy one or two RF lenses for convenience in walking around.   (I have two, but will probably sell the RF 24-105.   It's not better or longer enough than the EF 24-70 F4 to give up the macro focus.).

If I get the M6 II, I'll buy two to four M lenses for travel, depending on whether or not I add a superzoom instead of M telephoto and normal zoom.

However, my premium lenses will remain all EF, because I can use them on either the M or the R for different AOVs, and I can use them on a DSLR, which I still prefer on a nice day.   No other system offers that flexibility and lens selection.

You have to gather although Nikon and Sony will continue to "catch up", Canon won't be standing still. In the same way as Canon "catches up" with sensors, neither will Sony stand still in that same period.

For mirrorless, both Canon and Nikon are playing catch up.

I'm not sure, at least for a still shooter, like me.  (Video is too much like work.)

The superior lens selection is a big deal for me, considering the EF catalogue.

The dual pixel focus is vastly superior, both from what I have read and personal experience.   A good friend of mine is a big Sony fanatic.   He shoots mostly video, so he should probably stay that way.   We had a side by side test, and the R smokes the Sony on focus speed and accuracy, especially in low light.

No IQ advantage means anything if your shots are out of focus.

I have also found that DPP handles noise on Canon files better than other programs, so the DR difference is less if you first de noise in DPP then retouch elsewhere.

I'm hoping the M6 II is a small R.   If it is, I want it.  I got rid of my 60D when I got the R.  I miss having a crop camera to use with my EF lenses.