DXO: m4/3 vs. FF -- we have it good!

Started Sep 4, 2019 | Discussions thread
James Stirling
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Re: No, they are not
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Raist3d wrote:

MEDISN wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

where I do see a problem is the last sentence where you mention bigger, heavier and priced For some models and a range of focal lengths, that’s not quite the case This is unfortunate but it’s the train both Olympus and Panasonic have chosen

They've only gone that route, because the small/light/cheaper -and better quality options as well, are already nicely covered.

No, they are not. They don't use the better sensor, don't have PDAF, have other compromises. That's the problem. Then on top of that at the tier of competitors they look dated.

Competitors at which price point?

under $1k tier.

No Fuji has weather sealing for less than $1000.

True but neither does Olympus in a modern camera.

Fuji offers 2 cameras with IBIS...one for for $1000 and weighs 673g, the other for $10k lol.

IBIS only gets you so far, where AF, DR./ISO takes more priority in many situations. The one for $1k beats hand-idly the EM1X at doing video and stills while still being smaller. So don't laugh too hard

Want a Sony with weather sealing? Ha! Want a Sony with IBIS? $1000. Want a Fuji that shoots 4K 30? $700.

$700 doesn't sound too bad. What exactly Olympus has here that is modern and small?

If all you want is new and shiny, then right at this minute, new and shiny means bigger.

It's not about new and shiny, but about being competitive with the current level of tech. For example, you could get a Fuji X-E3 and in a nice range of focals, you compete in size and weight rather well, and in price.

Can I get one with a Bayer sensor, tilt screen and IBIS?

You can get one that has 24 MP, no AA filter, better DR, ISO, better 4k, better AF. Or you can get an X-T30 for similar price, nice weight, 26 MP, even better AF, better 4k.

No, no Bayer sensor, but that has its own pros too, not all cons.

But, and it's a big but, we have options. Lots and lots of options. Way more than any Canikon have to offer in mirrorless at the moment.

I am not looking at Canon nor Nikon, but competitors like Fuji and Sony. Lots of options indeed

Options? Sure, but largely dependent on priorities. Fuji can be small and light if you're willing to live with the compromises.

Er. Apparently that's the problem of m43rds lately too. Point is, where are the modern small m43rds? A fuji X-E3 or X-T30 are quite modern, small and affordable.

Unfortunately their zooms are large and overpriced and their fastest primes lack weather sealing and are handicapped by slow/loud focus.

Not all primes. And the AF of Fuji has improved. Even the old XF35 F1.4 does pretty well on an X-E3, to my own surprise when I tried it.

I can't speak for over in the USA but here in the UK the Fuji prices are typically better than m43 for equivalent lenses . They do have some pricer options but there are no equivalents in m43 such as their 8-16mm f/2.8 or 200mm f/2. I have no personal experience with Fuji at all but their lenses seem to garner good reviews. Of course I am comparing apples to apples lenses that do the same job { same diagonal AOV, same DOF control and gather the same total light} . If you go down the beloved by some comparing apples to oranges route, { ignoring equivalent comparisons }  you can get better if disingenuous conclusions for m43

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