Sharp, but too bulky and heavy

This will be the end of my reply/continuation to our little dance on this topic:

notchy wrote:

lewiedude2 wrote:

Saving a few millimeters here and there doesn't make for a more 'noticeable' lens stuck on a real camera body - as opposed to a phone. I really don't buy into, and never have, the street photography issues pertaining to size of the camera gear(really just the lens we are talking about) being obtrusive or not. In this day and age, just the hand holding of a camera will make one stick out amongst the crowd.

lewiedude, no one's asking you to buy in. They're telling you what they feel. You just appear to be having a hard time accepting a view that differs from your own, to the point where you're trying to negate the opinions of others with charts. To me that's just silly because my opinion of what I what I see when looking at a lens on a camera and what I feel when I hold it is not affected by charts.

I offer up the chart for those that care to see it. I don't use charts to support anything I opine on but rather to give clear and succinct facts that cannot be refuted.

As for buying in....I have spent countless hours doing night street work that utilized both a tripod and a film medium format camera - the size of 2 of my X-T2 bodies (the Mamiya 7ii - and I love that camera) and a spot light meter. Someone putting a comment out there and not responding to a direct request to expand on the thought - other than the obvious - means something...I just don't know what. Again, I don't buy into the whole thing about carrying a camera around and being self conscious about an extra few millimeters. Our mirrorless gear is huge compared to phones! Don't think that they aren't and that somehow a 23f2 lens will all of the sudden make it 'unobtrusive'...to me, and this is my opinion, if the photographer is the one that is self-conscious about the size of their gear, go get a phone and use that. Don't use a camera with a lens stuck on the end. But wait, this is the quality of the photography you get with said phone (latest and greatest iPhone camera):

Great image! (sarcasm)

Personal preference, indeed. I absolutely don't find the lens to be heavy at all. In fact, compared to the lack of heft of the 23f2, it makes the handholding even easier for me and many others here.

Well I'm pleased you like your lens. "Many others" have stated the opposite view. Horses for courses and all that...

Yep. Many others....

Looking for balance and that's all I do when it comes to proposing an alternative opinion of the 16-55's size and weight.

It was a review stating the reviewer's opinion of a lens they owned. It wasn't a very detailed or IMO very informative review, but it was nevertheless the view and opinion of the reviewer. He doesn't need to balance or justify his opinion, it's just his opinion, his feelings about a product he used. That's it. We're all obviously welcome to ask him about his opinion, but to demand "balance" or to expect him to justify his views beyond what he has written is just being overbearing.

And got rid of. I really don't believe that someone needs to justify their opinion or place IMHO or IMO at the end of it. What I was getting at was....and maybe it is beacuse I have been involved in pleny of critique sessions of my work and others' work. This is where someone would ask - what do you mean by that? Could you elaborate? That's what I wanted to know, beyond the simplicity of just reading the words. What screams "PHOTOG" in this lens?? A few extra millimeters? See what I mean? I don't demand balance, I try to present it. If I believe a counter-point, I will post it. I try to get people to try the lens and see for themselves as opposed to reading and relying on something posted that has now taken them away from something I feel is a total add to any gear selection. Like I did, all on my own, I went to a camera store and held the lens attached to an X-T2 (2017). And, thought the comments about size were a tad 'rich.'

If you want balance, the best and only sensible way to do that is to publish your own review, not berate him for his.

You bet, and I never berated anyone. You have used two words that don't compute with me...berate and demand.

For your edification, I don't review equipment as I fully respect and then shy away from what comes of a review - other people will take the opposite opinion on the points of the review that are indeed opinion that they don't agree with and either be nice about it or be mean. I help where I can, like if you ask about Peak Design v3 anchors versus v4...and stuff like that - not a review. I leave that to those that like doing them. I don't care any longer. But, again, I will take an opposite view-point should a post or review be too imbalanced. And I will also make a point to counter someone making a statement as a fact when it isn't....again, staying balanced.