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Re: Which computation do you want?

stevo23 wrote:

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Let's be happy to disagree. I've posted those photos before and I'm not going to waste my time doing it again. You can believe what you want and I (and many others who actually know) can believe what we want. Have a great day.

As long as you don't admit you lack some skills and instead fall back on the automatic features a smartphone provides you will never get better.

So funny that it's always about the skill of the user. It's never a possibility that the phones are actually better in some of these ways.

I'm happy to admit as much. But so far, no one has been able to demonstrate it.

OK, here is "P" mode on the A6000, and a shot at the same time on the Pixel 2 XL. Tell me what non-fiddly skills I need to improve the A6000 picture. After all, tbcass said that the skill was using P mode and the result would be superior to the phone.

Great shots! Perfect example of how intelligently, efficiently, and effectively smartphones like the Pixel can deliver entirely serviceable--if not stunning--images in challenging conditions.

Stunning how? At 4x5?

Sure, you could get there with your A6000---eventually, but that's best left to those with time to burn...and more importantly, the persuasion to do so.

Not eventually, very quickly and in camera and better.

Tell me how to equal that DR and exposure in camera on my A6000 and I'll do test shots and let's see how that goes.

When people are as heavily invested in one side of an argument as you are, trust is gone in whatever results they provide.

Donald B hit that same wall in his EVF thread

No, posters made assertions on it being my skill when I showed what each camera did. I'm asking those posters to put up or shut up. They're not going to be able to show "their skill" is any better in this case.

I did. I showed that even the little jpg of the scene could be enhanced far better. Going to the raw would make it better again. As well, knowing how to use your tools correctly will benefit as well. Finally, if you are using HDR on the phone, do it on your camera as well.

Sorry, but the phone will always be technically inferior.

I don't think anyone will argue that you can get technically better images from a 2 pound camera than you can get from one the size of a postage stamp.

The point is that computational photography now in postage stamp sized cameras are getting fantastic results with minimum user interaction.

but that’s not foto factor’s point

Oh it is my point.

And the phone's processing is better than the processing from ILCs.

In your super narrow example that takes nothing into account but the ability to process 3 images, maybe. And you assume that every one of those images will done right which they are not.

Actually it is up to 9 images, I think you are a bit ignorant on that.

The ILCs provide more control and technically better hardware,

In easy shooting situations they produce better photos.

They have the flexibility of lenses, apertures, DOF control.

But their jpgs are crap compared to many of the newest phones. The colors are often poorer. The Auto WB is poor. The processing to prevent blowout is poor. Some phones are better in these areas.

If you want to edit a RAW you can of course get better WB/DR/Color from the ICL, too. If you want to edit a RAW.

Oh, and I still haven't heard about your advanced skills on how to shoot that test scene in a way that produces a better SOOC jpg with better DR than my phone

Why no in-camera HDR sample? Don't know how to use it?

I shot the same scene a ways back, here are the max DRO and Max HDR shots from in-camera processing. They still aren't that good:

This is DRO level 5 (maximum setting)

This is HDR 6 stops. The others (auto and lower levels) were not any better

As a reminder, here's the Pixel default SOOC photo:

So please educate me to improve my skills up to yours on what other settings I should try on my A6000 to get photos that have as good of DR and exposure SOOC from my Sony as my phone - as posters have indicated certainly will be the case. I want to learn from all of you masters

Or perhaps you are just wrong, even when presented with evidence.

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