Would you want an APS-C camera with an RF mount?

fstopx2 wrote:

quiquae wrote:

Dave Seeley wrote:

No.... that'd be silly.... why take the crop and speed hit of aps-c, when you can shoot an R or RP, and only slightly larger than the m5. Now I'd LOVE an M camera that is FF.

Why? For the same reason people chose to buy 7D mark II over 5D mark III or 1D X, of course. 1.6x reach, pixel density benefits over cropping from full frame, and cost. On mirrorless, you can also add battery life to the list (smaller sensors need less power).

I confidently predict, without a shred of material evidence, that an RF high end APS-C body (say “RF-S”) is coming in a year or two. Probably not any less than that, because Canon is clearly too busy to be working on an RF-S kit lens right now.

What about EF-M, you say? Even if the next EOS M is so beastly awesome that it makes a Nikon D500 look like a Fisher-Price toy, it won’t cut it as a 7D mark II replacement because future big whites are going to be RF lenses, and EF-M is never going to be compatible with them. Ergo, a beastly awesome EOS M is never gonna happen.

There is a rumor that the M5 successor will move upmarket, which means a solid mid-range, 80D-ish camera; that’s plausible, and I’d be in line for one, but that is as high-end as the line is ever going to go.

I have a bunch of EOS M and EFS cameras and lenses which I am selling. Why? Because its a dead end.

Even if they put an almost 80D equivalent (which the M5 kind of is but isnt) - so what. You are going to have to be satisfied with whatever native lenses they have or use EF/EFS. Putting those big lenses on that little body defeats the whole purpose of the EOS M. Sure you can do it and it works.

Are they going to push out higher quality EOS M lenses in volume? NOPE. Actions speak louder than words - in all the years the EOS M's have been out, how many lenses have the created?

The RF is the future at Canon, there is no disputing that. EF will be around for a very long time. but I would not shovel any money into EFS or EFM.

RF is the future of Canon's "higher end" mirrorless system, and I think M will be the future of their "lower end" mirrorless system.

My first dslr was EOS 350D with EF-s 18-55mm kit lens (bought in 2005), but I soon sold the lens and bought Tamron 17-50mm f2.8. After that I have never owned or shot with any EF-s lens. So I stopped putting my money on EF-s lenses already in 2005. Instead I've put too much money on EF-lenses... 🙄 But I've now promised myself not to buy any EF-lenses either.

I'm happy with my M-system with 5 EF-m lenses now what I'm doing with them, and propably won't put more money either on EF-m lenses in the future. I just bought R-body, so my money goes on some RF-lenses in the future. But I'm definately keeping my M-system too. Especially now on summer, I'm using M50 + 28mm macro everyday. Great little toy with great IQ!

I will not be shocked if Canon produces an APS-C RF camera. Think about it from a business standpoint - than they are replicating what they did with EF/EFS which has been very successful. Cheap lenses that will be RF compatible are very easy to create.

I'm hoping for great "R7", RF-mounted 7d2 successor. But sorry Canon, I wouldn't put my money on RF-s lenses. Just give me RF 100-400mm and/or RF 200-500/600mm and 1.4x extender, and I'll give my money (if they are not ridiculously expensive... )