100mp 35mm FF sensor for consumer.

American20 said:

It seems Sony is developing a 100mp 35mm FF sensor for consumer cameras. Well, there was plenty of 100mp or 200mp 35mm FF sensor several years ago but they were made for industrial purposes. Canon is also planning to make a 100mp sensor for EOS R line up.

Yes, it's not a dream. But there are few things that we need to discuss a 100mp sensor for Sony cameras.

1. Are there any Sony lenses which can support 100mp with the edge to edge sharpness?

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Yup

American20 said:

2. Can SD cards handle 100mp files? Will Sony add CFexpress for mirrorless cameras?

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Yup

American20 said:

3. How much will it be?

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Less than Leica

American20 said:

4. Will it be used for A7R line up or A9R line up?

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Yup

American20 said:

5. DR and ISO?

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Better

American20 said:

It seems Sony is developing a 100mp 35mm FF sensor for consumer cameras. Well, there was plenty of 100mp or 200mp 35mm FF sensor several years ago but they were made for industrial purposes. Canon is also planning to make a 100mp sensor for EOS R line up.

Yes, it's not a dream. But there are few things that we need to discuss a 100mp sensor for Sony cameras.

1. Are there any Sony lenses which can support 100mp with the edge to edge sharpness?

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Probably the G-Master lenses.

American20 said:

2. Can SD cards handle 100mp files? Will Sony add CFexpress for mirrorless cameras?

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Yes, Probably

American20 said:

3. How much will it be?

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5-6k

American20 said:

4. Will it be used for A7R line up or A9R line up?

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SUre

American20 said:

5. DR and ISO?

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ISO performance might not be as good.

American20 said:

It seems Sony is developing a 100mp 35mm FF sensor for consumer cameras. Well, there was plenty of 100mp or 200mp 35mm FF sensor several years ago but they were made for industrial purposes. Canon is also planning to make a 100mp sensor for EOS R line up.

Yes, it's not a dream. But there are few things that we need to discuss a 100mp sensor for Sony cameras.

1. Are there any Sony lenses which can support 100mp with the edge to edge sharpness?

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There are honestly so many high performance lenses these days, that there are too many to list here, but here are some of my favorites for a high megapixel camera:

Voigtlander 65mm APO, Voigtlander 110mm APO, Sony 135 1.8 GM, Sony 85 1.4 GM, Sony 24 1.4 GM, Zeiss Loxia 21mm, Zeiss Loxia 25mm, Zeiss Loxia 85mm, Sony 50mm 1.4, Sigma 40mm 1.4, Sigma 28mm 1.4, Sigma 105mm 1.4, Sigma 135mm 1.8, Samyang 135mm, Batis 40, Batis 135 APO, Batis 18mm, Canon 35mm 1.4L II, any of the Otus lenses....

American20 said:

2. Can SD cards handle 100mp files? Will Sony add CFexpress for mirrorless cameras?

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Probably.

American20 said:

3. How much will it be?

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As much or more than the previous 42MP cameras when they were released.

American20 said:

4. Will it be used for A7R line up or A9R line up?

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There's no way to know Sony's roadmap.

American20 said:

5. DR and ISO?

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Probably improved.

But first, I think we will see 60MP instead.

35mm digital has a history of *almost* catching up to medium format digital megapixel amounts.

For example, years ago, it didn't look like 35mm digital would catch up with 22MP, 33MP, and 39MP digital backs any time soon. Now look where we are. There were probably more than a few people who sold their digital backs and moved towards a 35mm system.

Now with Fuji going to 100MP, and digital backs going to 645 150MP, 35mm should be heading towards 60MP to over 100MP.

This cycle will continue, IMO.

American20 said:

1. Are there any Sony lenses which can support 100mp with the edge to edge sharpness?

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Future marketing text (which will be dutifully repeated by some posters on this forum):

"Only the new Jedi Grand Master lens line, specifically calculated to give 101.05mp, will be capable of forming a decent image on the new Hyper line of sensors. Special Tatooine sand glass, held in place by our special Force Adhesives will burn lightsabre sharp cosmic images, guaranteed to be the best images in the Galaxy. All other lenses should be disposed of properly"

American20 said:

It seems Sony is developing a 100mp 35mm FF sensor for consumer cameras. Well, there was plenty of 100mp or 200mp 35mm FF sensor several years ago but they were made for industrial purposes. Canon is also planning to make a 100mp sensor for EOS R line up.

Yes, it's not a dream. But there are few things that we need to discuss a 100mp sensor for Sony cameras.

1. Are there any Sony lenses which can support 100mp with the edge to edge sharpness?

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Yes

American20 said:

2. Can SD cards handle 100mp files? Will Sony add CFexpress for mirrorless cameras?

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Yes, Who knows, SDExpress or XQD seem likely candidates

American20 said:

3. How much will it be?

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Probably close to A7rIII $

American20 said:

4. Will it be used for A7R line up or A9R line up?

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Probably A7rIV

American20 said:

5. DR and ISO?

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It will depend on the fab process and sensor design.

I would expect similar ISO and DR, a better design at similar resolution would probably have better performance, but the increase in resolution will possibly reduce any gains.

If they add global shutter, there may be further reduction in performance, but I don't know if they would put that in a 100MP sensor, the A7IV and A7sIII with 8K seem more likely.

Of course, I know it's inevitable that there will be higher MP cameras coming. I, for one, like the extra MPs in my A7r2, but I find it highly unlikely that the next high-end Sony will have a 100mp sensor.

There would be a hefty price to pay not just for the camera and appropriate lenses, but for the entire processing chain.

How large would an uncompressed RAW file be, 200MP?

Can you imagine how much processing power, RAM, GPU etc., etc. would be required for editing such photos? Not to mention time transferring those files.

There are many features I would prefer over more MPs such as better ISO/DR performance, faster buffer, multi-angle (? like on my A77) LCD, built-in ND and movable gradient filters, drawable LCD screen with pen so I could "draw" areas for different exposure, shadows, highlights etc., better WB/color science, 5g Wifi transfer, much faster memory cards and busses, more sophisticated flash features, restore the APPS(!) and on and on. Give me that with 50-60 MP sensor and I'd be thrilled!

Cheers

Corelli said:

How large would an uncompressed RAW file be, 200MP?

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Yes, compressed raws are about 1 MB per MP, and uncompressed are 2 MB per MP. It's a big deal, but maybe the camera will be able to automatically downsize the raws, in which case I welcome the 100mp.

Corelli said:

Can you imagine how much processing power, RAM, GPU etc., etc. would be required for editing such photos? Not to mention time transferring those files.

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That's a big deal, and that's why I don't want more than 36mp for the a9ii, unless, again, the camera can automatically downsize the raws.

Corelli said:

There are many features I would prefer over more MPs such as better ISO/DR performance, faster buffer, multi-angle (? like on my A77) LCD, built-in ND and movable gradient filters, drawable LCD screen with pen so I could "draw" areas for different exposure, shadows, highlights etc., better WB/color science, 5g Wifi transfer, much faster memory cards and busses, more sophisticated flash features, restore the APPS(!) and on and on. Give me that with 50-60 MP sensor and I'd be thrilled!

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Agreed that megapixels are not so important anymore, I feel that 42 is already too much.

Global shutter is what I want the most, then pp for the a9, lossless compressed raws, in camera raw downsizing, and the things you mentioned.

American20 said:

1. Are there any Sony lenses which can support 100mp with the edge to edge sharpness?

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You totally forget the most important part of pixel dense sensors: Oversampling of data can be used to correct optical flaws, and restore subject shape etc. Impossible without enough in-data.

that's a great news with only one exception: sony still didn't bring downscale RAW incamera option. I personally need it already for a7R and for 100MP it will be essential.

most of the time you'd get 20MP shots and for controlled situations 42MP or 100MP would be handy.

As long as Sony adds the in camera raw downsizing (to multiple resolutions, example: 25mp, 50mp, etc) and in camera crop (like the aps-c mode, but more of them), then it means that any prime lens will essentially become a zoom lens, and still resolve a lot of megapixels.

Imagine the 24mm 1.4 with possible crops of 1.6x, 2.5x, 4x ... or even sport lenses. People won't have to use the teleconverters anymore.

So, that will make the overall system that much more compact and versatile, we just need those 2 features.

All lenses benefit from higher resolution sensors even the lower end models . not to the extent of higher end ones but gain none the less

Examples I have used Nikon as the lenses are tested on 12, 24 and 36mp

Nikon 50mm F/1.8G on 12, 24 and 36mp sensors , their cheapest lens









Otus 55mm F/1.4 on same bodies





So whilst not every lens will be able to get the maximum theoretically possible resolution score they will all gain from it. I think that even with the very best glass available you would need impeccable technique along with the appropriate subject





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Jim Stirling
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100mpx sensor and raw files, one of my macro lenses, insect and stacking 250 images... yay... I think Ill pass on this one

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Magnar W said:

American20 said:

1. Are there any Sony lenses which can support 100mp with the edge to edge sharpness?

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You totally forget the most important part of pixel dense sensors: Oversampling of data can be used to correct optical flaws, and restore subject shape etc. Impossible without enough in-data.

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And also they can make multi-resolution sensors that binds several pixels together in lower light to get the noise performance up, at the cost of a lower resolution. Sony has this on a smart phone sensor already (48/12 Mpix).