Question for former 602 now DSLR users

cripesamighty · Sep 28, 2003

Karl Günter Wünsch said:
susiegalvesten said:

I would consider a Sigma SD-9 with a 15-30 EX, 24-70 HF, and then
if you have the money 50-500 EX. 35mm range turns out like 25mm to
800mm.

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If you read the OP comment closely he is looking for better high
ISO performance. This is something the Foveon sensor is not capable
of, it can do a lot but it's a good light sensor with the higher
ISO's additionally limited to 1s shutter speed. Factor that in with
the inconvenience of having to shoot RAW makes the SD-9 a package
that isn't for someone who is looking for an upgrade in those
departments.

It might be suited for the semi pro who is likely to shoot RAW
anyway, but you have to commit to a one horse race when it comes to
lenses and as I pointed out before IS (which is important for low
light shooting as is high ISO capability) is only beginning to
emerge in the range Sigma offers and that at quite a premium...

Thanks for your reply! I think you are definitely right that the SD-9 isn't as good in low light, though I happen to think the stunning pictures otherwise would be well worth it. Also low light is a very complex issue to unravel that should not be underestimated, noise can be masked with detail loss. Many SD-9 photographers are shooting nice 1600 ISO images by dialing in exposure compensation while shooting, since it is a RAW shooter exposures can be amplified on the desktop.

My top two choices would be the Fuji S2 Pro or the Sigma SD-9, the 300D and 10D forums are mired in excessive softness and focus discussions, even Canon's website samples seem a little too blurry to me at full size. What good is an L or IS lens if the camera cannot seem to sharpen up?

training_editor · Sep 28, 2003

Boo, if you wait a few weeks/months then you will miss out on all those weeks without a camera that I guarantee will make your jaw drop the first time you fire up your pictures on a computer.

Not to mention that satisfying "klunk-klunk-klunk-klunk-klunk" as you fire off five quick pics in a row, more just to hear that 'pro' sound than for any other reason.

Who says logic has to rule ALL our purchases.

You will be very happy with the 10D (that you seem to be leaning towards) or the *istD, for about the same price. Wait until your store has a *istD in stock, handle them both and then just GO FOR IT. Lay down the ole credit card and enjoy that thrill that you will feel all the way home when you just can't WAIT to get it out of its pristine wrapper.

In my opinion, you will be less satisfied with the 300D. It is small and light, but it just does not feel substantial to me. The *istD is quite small, but it is just plain more camera. Don't let the dumb name fool you; it was designed from the ground up as a digital and it shares very little with its *ist 35mm namesake.

I am off this week to shoot a magazine cover that MUST be to my editor 2000 miles away that night. I usually use medium-format (my Pentax 645) but this time I need to go digital. I was going to use the 602 and just pray for good results, but the *istD arrived two days ago, and I figured - if I am going to get one eventually, it might as well start earning its keep NOW.

Plus ... I LOVE that "klunk-klunk" sound.

(No wonder VISA loves me.)

TomCee said:
Hee, nobody said it was going to be easy, but my advice to you is:
wait a few weeks/months so you can make your decission more
objective. Good luck!

Jared Hunter · Sep 28, 2003

susiegalvesten said:
My top two choices would be the Fuji S2 Pro or the Sigma SD-9, the
300D and 10D forums are mired in excessive softness and focus
discussions,

Actually, it's the Fuji S2 that I've seen an alarming number of reports about focus and quality control issues. I believe only the initial batch of 10Ds had focus problems (or so says my local dealer). I may have missed it but I haven't seen many complaints about the 300D focus or image problems.

cripesamighty said:
even Canon's website samples seem a little too blurry
to me at full size. What good is an L or IS lens if the camera
cannot seem to sharpen up?

What I like about Canon images is that they sharpen up really well in Photoshop. Images from other camera tend to reveal artifacts if you sharpen them too much.

Jared Hunter · Sep 28, 2003

training_editor said:
In my opinion, you will be less satisfied with the 300D. It is
small and light, but it just does not feel substantial to me.

..or you could bolt some weight on the bottom like luxury car makers that add dead weight to various parts of the chassis to impart a false sense of quality. IMO, the mis-perception that weight=quality is outdated thinking. The best titanium watches or ultra-light racing bicycles or even the doors on a late model Ferrari can feel light and unsubstantial but we know the quality is there.

Maybe adding the dual battery grip onto the 300D will give it the bulk you're looking for? (not to mention a great sideways shutter button for portraits)

cripesamighty · Sep 28, 2003

Jared Hunter said:
susiegalvesten said:

My top two choices would be the Fuji S2 Pro or the Sigma SD-9, the
300D and 10D forums are mired in excessive softness and focus
discussions,

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Actually, it's the Fuji S2 that I've seen an alarming number of
reports about focus and quality control issues. I believe only the
initial batch of 10Ds had focus problems (or so says my local
dealer). I may have missed it but I haven't seen many complaints
about the 300D focus or image problems.

Jared Hunter said:

even Canon's website samples seem a little too blurry
to me at full size. What good is an L or IS lens if the camera
cannot seem to sharpen up?

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What I like about Canon images is that they sharpen up really well
in Photoshop. Images from other camera tend to reveal artifacts if
you sharpen them too much.

I know what you mean about artifacts, but I think the S2 is a nice step up from the S602 even pixel for pixel. SD-9 sharpness blows me away, that bubble gum shot really shows the hair thin sharpness the thing is capable of: http://www.pbase.com/image/21316315/original

I think clean lines are the requisite foundation on which lens quality may stand, meaningful noise measurements too. Although IS/OS is a big and different kind of benefit, many in the SD-9 forum seem to be eagerly awaiting the Sigma OS line as you point out.

A difference I noticed while surfing DSLR forums is that one rarely see's full sized images linked from Canon circles. I haven't seen many Pentax images but it is so new. The D100 seems like a good midground comprimise too, but I think you have to add $500 for RAW software which turns me off.

ChromeDome · Sep 28, 2003

Boo said:
ChromeDome said:

We bought
our 602's from Jessops, he in Blackpool and I in St Annes

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Ha, what a coincidence, the Jessops I might visit with my father is
the Blackpool one - he seems to have a good relationship with them
and gets good service. The store has been much longer established
than my new local one.

It sometimes seems such a small world

Boo said:
I was going to ask about trading the 602 towards a new purchase,
but part of me wants to keep the camera at least to overlap a new
one for a little while until I get used to it, I wouldn't want to
have an important shoot crop up and only a new camera to use,
perhaps before I was reliable with it. I suppose that depends on
what deal they'd strike. One point in Jessops favour is that they
offer finance and that may save a trip to the bank.

I think if finances are tight and you can get a good deal then you might perhaps explore the trade-in option. I wouldn't like to be in your shoes though as you're a lot more reliant upon the 602 than I. Perhaps Jessops would allow you to trial one or two cams if you asked them nicely. Of course - if you knew someone locally with a 10D or an *ist that you could borrow it for a day or two that would be the ideal solution. Have you tried asking on the Canon forum about mixed light and low light stuff with the 10D?

Boo said:
I won't have a problem to myself or even my husband, but it's
surprising how many people declare "what another new camera, you
must have money to burn" The only person who has expressed
reservations is my 16 year old son, he can't equate a camera
purchase to us being seemingly hard up all the time - which is
understandable, he sees it as a hobby still.

Ah children - what do they know. I gave up on film photography in my early twenties due to lack of finance a very young family and only a dole cheque to survive on. I packed away my Zenit-E and almost forgot about photography for twenty years I wish I hadn't. It's only recently that I've been able to revive this interest and it seems ten times more expensive now, plus everybody and his dog are in on the act! Follow your dream Boo If you don't what would you be teaching your son!- It's your life and depending upon your beliefs we might only be here once. (Well that's how I'm gonna justify the debt to my family anyway LOL!) My kids think I'm a bit doo lally too allways stuck behind the eyepiece of a camera whilst out and about! They wonder how I manage to enjoy myself - but my wife's very forgiving - well actually she's got her eyes on the 602 so I'm kind of suffering pressure both internally and externally at the moment! grin

Boo said:
Much of what I do is in exchange for the odd beer, I don't get paid
much for my music shots, unfortunately - although I've been paid
for the odd one making it to print. I'm on the staff with
Starsailor (as a self employed freelancer under contract) and the
work I do for them comes under my contract with them and that in
turn has opened doors for me, for which I'm incredibly grateful -
I've had some of the most wonderful opportunities over the last 18
months. I've just shot their support band on the tour who look to
be on the verge of getting signed and have shown an interest in me
doing some work for them.

That's fabulous Boo, Perhaps you could offset the camera against tax as a legitimate business expense - after all it could be thought of as a tool of your trade!! Even if the payment is only in Amber nectar at the moment

Boo said:
I think I'm a long way off being
professionally commissioned, although the NME did have a shot they
were going to print this week, but the story changed and they used
one of their own that fitted the new story rather better. Shame,
it would have looked good in my portfolio.

It would I'm sure but your portfolio already speaks for itself!

Boo said:
The snobbery is usually from the photographers themselves. I was
alongside one magazine photographer this last week with two Nikon
dSLRs and I didn't think he was so bad, but my husband said he saw
him making faces and disparaging comments to his journalist
colleage behind my back. We'll see if it's justified when his
photos are published.

Ah the old my camera's bigger than yours game - very adult!

Best of luck in your choice Boo - It seems to me that you're ready for the move up - so grab it with both hands and make your dreams come true!

Greg
--
Every silver lining has a cloud ;-(

Zenit-E - 6900/602 / Sunpak 144PC / TL-FX9

ssab · Sep 28, 2003

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Boo said:
People, to this day, are suprised when they see photos first, when
I tell them my camera - so I know it does good work - so your
comment concerns me a tad - I want to spend that amount of money
and know I'm going to get vastly improved shots, if they're not at
least twice as good - or more attainable in the first instance, the
investment is wasted.

I'm now getting very confused and change my mind every three hours.
Perhaps I should give the S7000 the benefit of the doubt as well!

You get good shots with your 602 Boo and as you say have had no complaints. A dSLR is the way to go for flexibility and extra quality especially at high ISO which is probably one of your main concerns. But there is no NEED to jump right now. As pointed out else where you are buying into a system, look at the lenses and prices not just how cheap you can get a body for. Sort out what you want for features on the camera and how much the total deal inc lenses is going to set you back and in the meantime keep an eye on the prices to see what if any effect the 300D has on the competition [ including Canons own 10D ].

PS From what I've seen so far I don't think any of the newer ' prosumer ' cams is going to be a huge jump up from the 602 apart from maybe in your case the A1, the IS seems to work quite well from the shots Phil has put up, though I'd still wait for a full review before getting too excited.

ssab · Sep 28, 2003

MrScary said:
Karl Günter Wünsch said:

susiegalvesten said:

I would consider a Sigma SD-9 with a 15-30 EX, 24-70 HF, and then
if you have the money 50-500 EX. 35mm range turns out like 25mm to
800mm.

Click to expand...

If you read the OP comment closely he is looking for better high
ISO performance. This is something the Foveon sensor is not capable
of, it can do a lot but it's a good light sensor with the higher
ISO's additionally limited to 1s shutter speed. Factor that in with
the inconvenience of having to shoot RAW makes the SD-9 a package
that isn't for someone who is looking for an upgrade in those
departments.

It might be suited for the semi pro who is likely to shoot RAW
anyway, but you have to commit to a one horse race when it comes to
lenses and as I pointed out before IS (which is important for low
light shooting as is high ISO capability) is only beginning to
emerge in the range Sigma offers and that at quite a premium...

--
regards
Karl Günter Wünsch

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--The Only ones I would even think of buying are....Canon
10D.....Canon 300D......Fuji S2 Pro.....(I'm going to wait another
year or two) (only cause i ain't got the cash at moo)...The 10D is
Superb, but you gota think, do you/I need all that it's got...A Pro
Will, But will We!
300D is Plasticky n Light, but don't Let That Fool Ya...It's like
an Old 35mm Canon A1, Put a darn Good Canon Lense on it n Photos
are Your Oyster!..

A Canon A1 is neither plastic nor light, mines metal and weighs just over 1kg.

MrScary said:
Brill!!......Canon Lenses are Excellent, but Don't Ever Leave out
Tokina & Sigma Lenses, some of them are Excellent to, n
Cheeper.....Price-Wise, what you gota work out is, Batteries, Cards
& that Extra Lense..That's What Pushes Up Your Price, not the
camera.......
Why Not Higher one for the Day from Jessops with the correct Lense
for that Gig......My Prefered Lense if i'm a bit to far away is the
75-300mm, but if you are well in range, go for that 135mm whatever
it is(can't remember full specs of it).....I handled the 300D in my
Camera Club the other day, Felt Good to Me, looked Good
to.........IMHO...Forget the 7000, S602z is best of rest in my
book....

Good Luck in your Decision
MrScary (DennisR)
Swansea, Wales. UK

http://www.pbase.com/dennisr
http://community.webshots.com/user/mrscarecrow
http://digiden.photoshare.co.nz

Scott M Miller · Sep 28, 2003

Boo,

As you and I both know the 602 is an excellent camera. I've followed your work shooting gigs on this forum and you have gotten excellent pics, but I am sure, with a lot of work , making the 602 succeed in an enviroment that it really struggles in. I switched to the rebel and I can say first hand, you will not believe the speed and ease of how they work in low light. I was stunned. The other factor is a mirror view finder and if needed, a manual focus that is so easy to use. I really liked my 602 but I had to put it on ebay today. I think your work would go to another level with any dslr. They allow you to be creative and not worry about missing the shots.

In good conditions the 602 has now problem holding it's own and for people who like tele work, thay can't be beat unless you spend alot of money for fast glass.
Scott
http://www.pbase.com/millersm

ssab · Sep 28, 2003

Boo said:
The other option I've only given thought to today is a second hand
higher spec dSLR, now a few are gravitating onto the market.

Second hand digital slr can be a false saving, it all depends on how much use they have had and how cheap they are. I think Canon rate the shutter in the 10d for 50,000 cycles which sounds a lot but can soon get used up with digital as people tend to shoot more shots than they did with film. I'm not sure on the ratings of other cameras but I think the top end Canon film cams were more like 150,000 cycles so presumably the 1D is the same? but it would be as well to apply a bit of caution and check usage ratings.

KC63881 · Sep 28, 2003

I've gotten the 300D with kit lens, 50mm F1.8 and a Sigma 70-400 lens. The autofocus speed for both is much faster than the S602Z...

Don't think mounting a a heavy wide-angle/teleconverter will wotk with the kit lens. It'll probably spoil the autofocus mechanism as the front part of the lens rotates to focus (I tried B300 on the 50mm and it can't rotate to focus). There're some other lenses that focus internally (and zooms internally like the 70-200F4L) where you should be able to fit a front-mounted converter more easily.

Jared Hunter said:
wide is more important than tele, but I still need some zoom for

flexibility (doesn't have to be 6X)

good for everyday or travel use. e.g. landscapes and architecture

reasonable sharpness at wider apertures

possibly image stabilization (in lieu of a faster, more expensive

lens)

Any comments or suggestions? These seem to be the front-runners:

If S2 Pro:

24-120mm VR (equiv. 36-180 mm)

not sure about which lens for

If Canon 300D:

kit lens 18-55mm (equiv. 28-88 mm). Screw on my Olympus wide

angle will get me 0.7 x 28 = 20mm!

28-135 IS (equiv. 45-216 mm)

Thanks.

--

Check out some fashion shots I have taken: http://mpenza.clubsnap.org/gallery/fashion

Karl Gnter Wnsch · Sep 28, 2003

KC said:
Don't think mounting a a heavy wide-angle/teleconverter will wotk
with the kit lens. It'll probably spoil the autofocus mechanism as
the front part of the lens rotates to focus (I tried B300 on the
50mm and it can't rotate to focus). There're some other lenses
that focus internally (and zooms internally like the 70-200F4L)
where you should be able to fit a front-mounted converter more
easily.

For SLR's you have something much better optically than adding a B-300 teleconverter which will introduce vignetting over a lot of the focal range: Get a 1.4x or 2x teleconverter (to be inserted between body and lens) if your lens is fast enough (aperture wise you'll loose one or 2 stops respectively and to preserve autofocus capability your complete lens must be f/5.6 or better) which will affect the whole focal range and will keep it useable.

--
regards
Karl Günter Wünsch

BigWaveDave · Sep 29, 2003

Canon underestimates its ISO rating, typically by about 1 stop compared to most cameras. And as I recall, the 300D's ISO 1600 performance was at least as good, perhaps superior to the 602's ISO 400 performance. So the 300D probably has about an extra 3 stops of low light performance built into it (compared to the 602).

MikeBee said:
Caveat !Higher iso capabilities are of limited advantage if the
glass is slower, fast lenses do not come cheap!

--
BigWaveDave

Boo · Sep 29, 2003

ChromeDome said:
I think if finances are tight and you can get a good deal then you
might perhaps explore the trade-in option. I wouldn't like to be in
your shoes though as you're a lot more reliant upon the 602 than I.

That's my main concern with trading in, I'd like the insurance of keeping it with me, as an overlap at least for a week or two.

ChromeDome said:
Have you tried asking on the Canon forum
about mixed light and low light stuff with the 10D?

I doubt very much that I'll be getting a 10D, unless I strike a particularly good deal. It's the 300D I have my sights on as a realistic purchase.

ChromeDome said:
Ah children - what do they know. I gave up on film photography in
my early twenties due to lack of finance a very young family and
only a dole cheque to survive on.

I was the same, when I had ten films waiting to be developed and a toddler in need of shoes, the photography was put aside for a while, only getting back into when my husband gave me a tiny little Kodak digital as Christmas gift about 6 years ago.

ChromeDome said:
Follow your dream Boo If you don't what would
you be teaching your son!- It's your life and depending upon your
beliefs we might only be here once.

That's the way I live all the time and two health scares in rapid succession this year have really galvanised that view, hence I'm this daft middle aged woman taking photos at the front at gigs, alongside 6' tall men in their tenties and thirties, with 5 grands worth of camera around their necks!!! And in the case of the recent Apollo gig - taking photos of the support band, trying to be discreet as they were very nervous and I was the only photographer - being heckled from behind by the main band members who'd come out to listen - they were heckling me, not the band, I hasten to add.

ChromeDome said:
but my
wife's very forgiving - well actually she's got her eyes on the 602
so I'm kind of suffering pressure both internally and externally at
the moment! grin

My husband in the same, if he came home from work tonight and I'd been out on the bus and bought the 300D, which I threatened to do over breakfast when he and my son were giving me grief, he actually wouldn't say much. He and my son would just exchange long-suffering glances. They know it's inevitable now anyway.

ChromeDome said:
Perhaps you could offset the camera against
tax as a legitimate business expense - after all it could be
thought of as a tool of your trade!! Even if the payment is only in
Amber nectar at the moment

I do actually put camera expenditure on my accounts as although I do a lot for pleasure, I also do a lot of photography for commercial web sites, so I do see it as at least partially a business tool.

ChromeDome said:
Ah the old my camera's bigger than yours game - very adult!

My husband did comment that the pro with the two Nikons last weeks was engaged in some considerable amount of willy waving. Pretty infantile really. His photos better be stunning.

ChromeDome said:
Best of luck in your choice Boo - It seems to me that you're ready
for the move up - so grab it with both hands and make your dreams
come true!

I think I'm pretty much decided on this course now. I just need to figure out how to finance it. I'd like to handle a *istD before I make a final choice, but the 300D and an 28-135 lens are looking pretty attractive.

--
Fuji S602Z and 2800Z
http://www.peekaboo.me.uk - general portfolio
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk - live music photos
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk/lowlight.html - available light live music tutorial

Boo · Sep 29, 2003

Scott M Miller said:
As you and I both know the 602 is an excellent camera. I've
followed your work shooting gigs on this forum and you have gotten
excellent pics, but I am sure, with a lot of work , making the 602
succeed in an enviroment that it really struggles in.

Thank you kindly. I think I've now taken the 602 as far as I can. I'm also conscious that my photos are starting to look a tad similar, I'll like to mix things up a bit as well.

Scott M Miller said:
I switched to
the rebel and I can say first hand, you will not believe the speed
and ease of how they work in low light. I was stunned.

It's not actually called the Rebel in the UK, which is rather a shame, although I shall label it as such myself - I rather like the idea of working with a Rebel, it suits my style somewhat. I've not been able to give it a realistic test, for me, but I did poke it into the darkest receses of the shop and I was pretty astonished at the speed with which it focussed and took the shot. The first frame I took was so fast, that the shutter clunk startled me.

Scott M Miller said:
I think your work would go to another level with any
dslr. They allow you to be creative and not worry about missing the
shots.

I would like to think so, I wouldn't want to be churning out the same stuff after such an investment. I have had a pretty good success rate with the 602 at getting shots - my take home rate of keepers has been pretty goos, until recently, I did one gig in very low light, with a low ceiling painted dark red and although it looked bright enough to the eye, the camera just didn't see the light, my results were very poor and I actually had to resort to flash, which I do with considerable reluctance. But the biggest problem is slow exposures with muso movement and stage smoke making finding focus really hard.

I tried at one gig last week by establishing focus in manual mode and then taking a few shots of the same scene so I didn't need to re-establish focus for each shot, but it didn't help as much as I was hoping. My percentage of users from that shoot was lower than I'd like. Luckily with plenty of memory available now, I keep shooting and take a lot more home than I might have done previously - so my statistics are't as good as I'm not so fussy about what I keep (I preview as I shoot).

I'm hoping a dSLR will address the problems I experience and the higher ISO will mean I can shoot much faster, which will eliminate many of the problems I have with subject movement. I have a hard drive full of shots of blurred guitarists aside nice sharp mic stands!!

--
Fuji S602Z and 2800Z
http://www.peekaboo.me.uk - general portfolio
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk - live music photos
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk/lowlight.html - available light live music tutorial

Boo · Sep 29, 2003

ssab said:
Second hand digital slr can be a false saving, it all depends on
how much use they have had and how cheap they are. I think Canon
rate the shutter in the 10d for 50,000 cycles which sounds a lot
but can soon get used up with digital

Gosh, that sounds less than I might have guessed. I've taken about 9000+ shots with the 602 - a lot more if you count ones that never made it to memory in the first place, so it's soon used up.

I don't think a second hand one is a realisitic option, there are still very few making it to reputable stores and there is no way I'd buy privately without it being on direct recommendation of someone known.

I think the 300D or *istD are looking pretty attractive as new purchases.

--
Fuji S602Z and 2800Z
http://www.peekaboo.me.uk - general portfolio
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk - live music photos
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk/lowlight.html - available light live music tutorial

Boo · Sep 29, 2003

training_editor said:
Boo, if you wait a few weeks/months then you will miss out on all
those weeks without a camera that I guarantee will make your jaw
drop the first time you fire up your pictures on a computer.

Hang on while I note that to pass on to my husband. I'm going to cite all of you lot for persuading me it was a good idea ;-)

training_editor said:
Not to mention that satisfying "klunk-klunk-klunk-klunk-klunk" as
you fire off five quick pics in a row, more just to hear that 'pro'
sound than for any other reason.

I'd forgotten what a sexy sound that was until I played with the 300D at the weekend. When I frst got into digital I found it disconcerting at first that it didn't make any sound as the photo was recorded. It took a while to get used to.

training_editor said:
In my opinion, you will be less satisfied with the 300D. It is
small and light, but it just does not feel substantial to me. The
*istD is quite small, but it is just plain more camera.

I'm looking forward to handling one, I always liked Pentaxes, the first SLR I used as a youngster and teenager was a Pentax on permanent-ish loan from my father - until I got an Olympus OM1 for my 21st.

training_editor said:
I am off this week to shoot a magazine cover that MUST be to my
editor 2000 miles away that night. I usually use medium-format (my
Pentax 645) but this time I need to go digital. I was going to use
the 602 and just pray for good results, but the *istD arrived two
days ago, and I figured - if I am going to get one eventually, it
might as well start earning its keep NOW.

Sounds like a plan - I don't think you can beat the learning expereince of doing work for a real purpose, tinkering with it just isn't the same, you don't have th pressure to get it right and the incentive to overcome problems in the same way. Good luck!!

--
Fuji S602Z and 2800Z
http://www.peekaboo.me.uk - general portfolio
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk - live music photos
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk/lowlight.html - available light live music tutorial

chris gunn · Sep 29, 2003

BigWaveDave said:
Canon underestimates its ISO rating, typically by about 1 stop
compared to most cameras. And as I recall, the 300D's ISO 1600
performance was at least as good, perhaps superior to the 602's ISO
400 performance. So the 300D probably has about an extra 3 stops
of low light performance built into it (compared to the 602).

Does the ISO disparity carry on into the DSLR's?
What did Phil say?

--
cheers!

Gunn
CF data base:
http://www.finepix.nl/memcards/

KC63881 · Sep 29, 2003

There's actually no vignetting (the 1.6 cropping factor of the 300D helps) but the setup is pretty clumsy ;p didn't really look at the images though cos I was just playing around.

I was considering getting the Kenko Pro 1.4x teleconverter which seems to have less problems compared to Canon's one (which only work with the 'L' lenses and cost more than all my lenses compared).

One thing about getting a DSLR is that Ihave to worry a lot more about the DOF... and also keeping costs down cos there are so many different lenses that will meet different needs. Right now, I'm considering the Tamron 90mm Macro for macro purposes and the Tamron 24-135 SP as a go-around lens to add to my growing arsenal.

Karl Günter Wünsch said:
For SLR's you have something much better optically than adding a
B-300 teleconverter which will introduce vignetting over a lot of
the focal range: Get a 1.4x or 2x teleconverter (to be inserted
between body and lens) if your lens is fast enough (aperture wise
you'll loose one or 2 stops respectively and to preserve autofocus
capability your complete lens must be f/5.6 or better) which will
affect the whole focal range and will keep it useable.

--
regards
Karl Günter Wünsch

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Karl Gnter Wnsch · Sep 29, 2003

KC said:
I was considering getting the Kenko Pro 1.4x teleconverter which
seems to have less problems compared to Canon's one (which only
work with the 'L' lenses and cost more than all my lenses compared).

The Konko Pro has received quite good reviews... Quite contrary to out 602Z instinct of staying clear of Kenco and the like for converters isn't it

KC63881 said:
One thing about getting a DSLR is that Ihave to worry a lot more
about the DOF... and also keeping costs down cos there are so many
different lenses that will meet different needs. Right now, I'm
considering the Tamron 90mm Macro for macro purposes and the Tamron
24-135 SP as a go-around lens to add to my growing arsenal.

I was thinking in similar direction for macro by opting for the Sigma 105 Macro lens (cheaper where I live than the Tamron and easier to get hold of). I might try using extension tubes first on the 28-135 IS USM which is a good option to get better macro from existing lenses. That one is still a few weeks/months away but let's see what christmas means in terms of things to come...

As for the go-around lens I stayed with Canon for that one and the 28-135 IS USM is truely blowing away the Fuji 602Z lens.

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Karl Günter Wünsch

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