Sony finally adding 1:1 Aspect Ratio (Square) to Full Frame Camera!

Sgt_Strider · Jan 18, 2019

DJohnny said:
richj20 said:

My Panasonic cameras have this feature.

With my A7Rii I have the Square Grid Line overlay enabled, so it is easy to frame 1:1.

- Richard

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Some Panasonic cameras have multi-aspect ratio sensors. That is something different as the sensor is larger than 4:3 to accommodate the different aspect ratios. What Sony is doing is cropping pixels away so 24mp becomes 16mp @ 1:1. This is still very helpful however because some people really benefit from seeing the crop from the viewfinder. Personally, this feature is of little benefit to me, however it does not break the functionality of the camera to include it, so I say kudos to Sony!!

I would like to ask a question of the people that this is a benefit to. What are some scenarios where you prefer using a 1:1 crop? I am afraid to experiment with different crops and I never frame with a 1:1 crop in mind. Is this aspect ratio used more for portraiture?

I'm the kind of person that takes his time to take a photo. One of the things that I love about m4/3 system is that they have the ability to select different aspect ratios. I just like to play with the different settings, aim at the scene/subject, and decide where to go from there.

The thing that I don't understand is why people even complain that such a feature even exist or that Sony is adding 1:1 to the camera. If they don't like it, then don't use it. Why omit the feature when it'll benefit other people? It's beyond stupid to even participate in a thread like this.

Winder · Jan 18, 2019

lattesweden said:
Winder said:

sportyaccordy said:

Can't you just crop in post? I imagine most decent PP programs will have the option to do a default crop.

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There are quite a few professional photographers (sports/journalist) who send straight ooc JPEGs to an editor. It's obviously not a feature for everyone, but for people working with thousands of images per-event/day (Olympics) they don't have time to edit. Images go online in a matter of seconds. You have photographers shooting wired (Ethernet) and and editor is culling images in real time and going straight online.

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I know that both Canon, Nikon and Sony in their sports cameras have RJ45 connectors but I have never seen anyone use it. Is there any examples anywhere that shows this?

"The system’s connective tissue is ethernet cabling, which allows individual photographers to wire in. “The latest top-of-the-range DSLRs from Canon and Nikon allow you to plug an ethernet cable directly into the camera so it becomes part of the network,” Mainardis says. “We have cables at key fixed positions—like the finish line of the pool or of the track—and if the photographers need to move they simply unhook the cord and put it back where they found it, then move onto another position and another cable.”

In certain locations—such as the Sochi mountainside at the 2014 Winter Olympics—the system relies on Wi-Fi hotspots. “Our preference is always on a cable because it’s reliable,” Mainardis says. “You don’t get the interference that sometimes you get on Wi-Fi. But in extreme environments, we use hotspots.”

Meanwhile all the work is transmitted to the mother ship. “When the photographer makes pictures, those frames travel down this network we’ve built and arrive instantaneously to our editors in the press center. In tests we just did, we were getting nearly 10 frames a second over that network.”

Getty Image’s tech crew has spent much of the past year testing the system on site. “We test it for load and performance at test events in the venues,” Mainardis says. “We’re able put it through its paces as if it were game time. We never want to send our team feeling like we may not have confidence in what we’ve installed.”

Olympic Images Reach Your eyes In Two Minutes Flat

There are a huge number of professional photographers who need high quality out-of-camera JPEGs and don't have time to edit in post. There are also a huge number of amateurs who don't understand this.

DJohnny · Jan 18, 2019

Oh thanks! I'll keep that in mind in the spring time

lattesweden · Jan 18, 2019

Winder said:
lattesweden said:

Winder said:

sportyaccordy said:

Can't you just crop in post? I imagine most decent PP programs will have the option to do a default crop.

Click to expand...

There are quite a few professional photographers (sports/journalist) who send straight ooc JPEGs to an editor. It's obviously not a feature for everyone, but for people working with thousands of images per-event/day (Olympics) they don't have time to edit. Images go online in a matter of seconds. You have photographers shooting wired (Ethernet) and and editor is culling images in real time and going straight online.

Click to expand...

I know that both Canon, Nikon and Sony in their sports cameras have RJ45 connectors but I have never seen anyone use it. Is there any examples anywhere that shows this?

Click to expand...

"The system’s connective tissue is ethernet cabling, which allows individual photographers to wire in. “The latest top-of-the-range DSLRs from Canon and Nikon allow you to plug an ethernet cable directly into the camera so it becomes part of the network,” Mainardis says. “We have cables at key fixed positions—like the finish line of the pool or of the track—and if the photographers need to move they simply unhook the cord and put it back where they found it, then move onto another position and another cable.”

In certain locations—such as the Sochi mountainside at the 2014 Winter Olympics—the system relies on Wi-Fi hotspots. “Our preference is always on a cable because it’s reliable,” Mainardis says. “You don’t get the interference that sometimes you get on Wi-Fi. But in extreme environments, we use hotspots.”

Meanwhile all the work is transmitted to the mother ship. “When the photographer makes pictures, those frames travel down this network we’ve built and arrive instantaneously to our editors in the press center. In tests we just did, we were getting nearly 10 frames a second over that network.”

Getty Image’s tech crew has spent much of the past year testing the system on site. “We test it for load and performance at test events in the venues,” Mainardis says. “We’re able put it through its paces as if it were game time. We never want to send our team feeling like we may not have confidence in what we’ve installed.”

Olympic Images Reach Your eyes In Two Minutes Flat

There are a huge number of professional photographers who need high quality out-of-camera JPEGs and don't have time to edit in post. There are also a huge number of amateurs who don't understand this.

Thanks!

richj20 · Jan 18, 2019

DJohnny said:
Oh thanks! I'll keep that in mind in the spring time

[referring to 1:1 for flowers]

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SilvanBromide · Jan 18, 2019

DJohnny said:
Oh thanks! I'll keep that in mind in the spring time

If it's what you say, I love it. Especially later in the summer! ; )

AlephNull · Jan 19, 2019

I sometimes crop to a 1:1 image because it suits the subject. I'm still shooting the whole frame though - I'm not a SOOC shooter at any time. If I shoot the whole 3:2 frame I can choose which 1:1 crop I want, which can be handy - sometimes the image I want is off-centre in the frame.

I like the suggestion of using the 6:4 grid to assist framing the image, though. That's a neat trick.

Viramati · Jan 20, 2019

The Leica Q has an interesting way of adding crop lines. As it has a fixed 28mm lens you can activate crops lines for 35mm and 50mm but it still shows the full 28mm image and this way you can use the camera a bit like a rangefinder camera and see what’s outside the lines. If you shoot in RAW and JPEG it saves the cropped image in JPEG and the full image in RAW but showing the cropped area which can be moved or changed in post. It stricks me that this would be a great way of implementing crop modes on a full frame Sony

Kiril Karaatanasov · Jan 22, 2019

panther fan said:
The real problem is Sony already has those frame guides in movie mode. Just not for still mode, which mean they thought about it and actively decided to not allow it in photo mode.....

There are grid lines in photo mode too. I use rule of third grid and there are couple more settings.

See this https://helpguide.sony.net/ilc/1710/v1/en/contents/TP0001653165.html

It would be nice to have square, dynamic rectangles, dynamic rectangles with diagonals etc.

See http://larmonu.larmonstudios.com/dynamic-symmetry/

Sgt_Strider · Jul 17, 2019

It's disappointing that 6 months later neither the A7 MKIII or the a7R MKII got 1:1 aspect ratio added via firmware. I'm surprised only the A9 got it and now the newly announced a7R MKIV got it. I'm losing hope Sony will ever do the right thing here and give us the 1:1 aspect ratio.

dwaisman · Sep 19, 2019

Sgt_Strider said:
It's disappointing that 6 months later neither the A7 MKIII or the a7R MKII got 1:1 aspect ratio added via firmware. I'm surprised only the A9 got it and now the newly announced a7R MKIV got it. I'm losing hope Sony will ever do the right thing here and give us the 1:1 aspect ratio.

I hope that the next firmware update includes. It seems such a silly thing not to include it on the other models.

lattesweden · Sep 19, 2019

dwaisman said:
Sgt_Strider said:

It's disappointing that 6 months later neither the A7 MKIII or the a7R MKII got 1:1 aspect ratio added via firmware. I'm surprised only the A9 got it and now the newly announced a7R MKIV got it. I'm losing hope Sony will ever do the right thing here and give us the 1:1 aspect ratio.

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I hope that the next firmware update includes. It seems such a silly thing not to include it on the other models.

Critical Thinker · Sep 19, 2019

sportyaccordy said:
Can't you just crop in post? I imagine most decent PP programs will have the option to do a default crop.

bobBKK · Dec 29, 2020

The A7c can take 1:1 and 4:3 aspect ratio JPEG's + uncropped raw. Sony finally seeing sense.

Cryhavoc38 · Dec 29, 2020

Well waddayaknow, my A7 R IV has 1:1. Never even noticed that.

But selecting 1:1 I lose 20 mega pickles.

I'll stick to normal aspects and crop if needed

MHshooter · Dec 30, 2020

Be better if they offered a native 4:3 FF sized (area) sensor and had 3:2 and square as crop modes. If you look at how a lens's image circled is handled, 4:3 is obviously the most efficient use of it, outside of a circular sensor.

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