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Anyone out there heard any rumors if Fuji will bring out a DSLR to compete with the Rebel Digital. Looks like the Fuji S7000 is not far away

from becoming a DSLR, just put a Nikon AF mount zoom lens on it, add a mirror in the camera, and price it a little less than the Digital Rebel, and there you are the New DSLR from Fuji.
Anyone agree with me, looks like we should wait and see at PMA 2004
 
Rob,

There is a Fuji dSLR - the S2.

There have been rumors of a new Fuji perhaps called the "S20", which some think might be a dSLR. I could imagine it being something with a lower price than the S2.

They'd have to take a lot of stuff out of the S7000 as it metamorphosed to a dSLR to make it comparable to the EOS-300D! (Just pulling your leg.) Hopefully they wouldn't - they may not want to compete for the "bottom of the barrel" trade.

Regards,

Doug Kerr
RobMtl007 said:
Anyone out there heard any rumors if Fuji will bring out a DSLR to
compete with the Rebel Digital. Looks like the Fuji S7000 is not
far away
from becoming a DSLR, just put a Nikon AF mount zoom lens on it,
add a mirror in the camera, and price it a little less than the
Digital Rebel, and there you are the New DSLR from Fuji.
Anyone agree with me, looks like we should wait and see at PMA 2004
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Doug Kerr said:
Rob,

There is a Fuji dSLR - the S2.

There have been rumors of a new Fuji perhaps called the "S20",
which some think might be a dSLR. I could imagine it being
something with a lower price than the S2.

They'd have to take a lot of stuff out of the S7000 as it
metamorphosed to a dSLR to make it comparable to the EOS-300D!
(Just pulling your leg.) Hopefully they wouldn't - they may not
want to compete for the "bottom of the barrel" trade.

Regards,

Doug Kerr
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I hope they won't either. They will not like to be "bottom of the barrel". Still think the S2 is the best deal for the buck if you consider a dSLR.

Anyway the release of the 300D might do us consumers some good. It might be an incentive for the other manufacturers to lower prices.
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To be honest I tell people that the images from my 602 are from a dSLR. It cuts out a lot of red tape involved in explaining just what the 602 really is (a high end prosumer camera).

It looks like an SLR, feels like an SLR, has all the manual functions of an SLR (hot shoe, attachable lenses and filters) and does not have a seperate view finder so in my eyes thats a single lens reflex.

Anyone in the know would stomp on me straight away but the shots I can pull off with it rival those taken with S1 / S2's and with a little neatimage magic there isnt much in it.

R.
 
Rikki,
Rikki said:
To be honest I tell people that the images from my 602 are from a
dSLR. It cuts out a lot of red tape involved in explaining just
what the 602 really is (a high end prosumer camera).
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Well, why not.
Rikki said:
It looks like an SLR, feels like an SLR, has all the manual
functions of an SLR (hot shoe, attachable lenses and filters) and
does not have a seperate view finder . . .
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Not sure I know what that could mean.
Rikki said:
. . . so in my eyes thats a single
lens reflex.
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Of course it's only missing the one thing that is really characteristic of an SLR and that's a mirror!

Doug Kerr
 
Doug Kerr said:
Rikki said:
To be honest I tell people that the images from my 602 are from a
dSLR. It cuts out a lot of red tape involved in explaining just
what the 602 really is (a high end prosumer camera).
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Well, why not.
Doug Kerr said:
It looks like an SLR, feels like an SLR, has all the manual
functions of an SLR (hot shoe, attachable lenses and filters) and
does not have a seperate view finder . . .
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Not sure I know what that could mean.
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What I meant was compared to some lower digital cameras the 602 does not have a seperate glass viewfinder (like my old 2400Zoom) and being a single lens lead on to my summary of calling it a digital SLR LOL.

R.
 
Exactly - to my mind, the movable mirror is a step backward from the 602-style cameras.

I never really noticed the "viewfinder lag" until I read about it here.

And I would think the add-on WA and TELE pretty much cover anything you would want to do with an SLR. The only thing missing is behing able to hook it up to a telescpoe for astrophotography, and I'm sure there's a way to do that.

(There's an idea - can we pump liquid nitrogen thru the back of the CCD to enhance the low-light resolution and reduce noise? Maybe the S9000 will have that?)
Rikki said:
Doug Kerr said:
Rikki said:
To be honest I tell people that the images from my 602 are from a
dSLR. It cuts out a lot of red tape involved in explaining just
what the 602 really is (a high end prosumer camera).
Click to expand...
Well, why not.
Rikki said:
It looks like an SLR, feels like an SLR, has all the manual
functions of an SLR (hot shoe, attachable lenses and filters) and
does not have a seperate view finder . . .
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Not sure I know what that could mean.
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What I meant was compared to some lower digital cameras the 602
does not have a seperate glass viewfinder (like my old 2400Zoom)
and being a single lens lead on to my summary of calling it a
digital SLR LOL.

R.
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I have a 602 AND the 300D..... and have been shooting them side by side..... the 602 does a great job... the 300d does too.... you can sure see the differences in the non PP pix..... the 300D is a lot less grainy...

taking pix with them the biggest thing is how quick the AF is on the 300.... and nope... Im not trying to push the 300 on anyone... I KNOW I like the 602... Im still learning what I think about the 300....but no complaints so far... except Ive not got enough $$ to buy a lens besides the kit lens for the 300.... and Im used to having some decent telephoto range with the 602... Ive got to buy some fairly exspensive glass to get that now... and ironically what I consider exspensive the SLR world considers cheap!... their "good" glass is in the thousand plus range eek ..

and while I CAN see the difference THOSE lenses make... I CANT see the difference in cost.... as in performance to cost ratio really sucks!.....
well... got to get back to work on my challenge pix!.... good luck all
 
Ken,

Thank you for your report of your initial experience with the 300D. It seems to fit well with what I might have expected.

I think we will see a lot of emphasis from many manufacturers on bringing the SLR experience to the lower-budget enthusiast. Canon has certainly exhibited some leadership in this area. I think the 300D gives a lot of bang for the buck (as do most of the emerging digicams, SLR or not). It will be very interesting to see what Fuji does in this regard.

At this point in time, my main interest in the SLR formulation is an improvement in effective prefocus shutter release speed over what I enjoy with my S602. The data available so far on the 300D suggests that it doesn't make a big enough advance in that area to really motivate me (perhaps 140 ms vs. perhaps 195 ms for the S602)

I do know how to solve that particular problem for about $7000 - starting with a Nikon D2H!

Again, enjoy your new machine. It seems as though it is quite capable.

Doug Kerr
Ken Christensen said:
I have a 602 AND the 300D..... and have been shooting them side by
side..... the 602 does a great job... the 300d does too.... you
can sure see the differences in the non PP pix..... the 300D is a
lot less grainy...
taking pix with them the biggest thing is how quick the AF is on
the 300.... and nope... Im not trying to push the 300 on
anyone... I KNOW I like the 602... Im still learning what I think
about the 300....but no complaints so far... except Ive not got
enough $$ to buy a lens besides the kit lens for the 300.... and Im
used to having some decent telephoto range with the 602... Ive got
to buy some fairly exspensive glass to get that now... and
ironically what I consider exspensive the SLR world considers
cheap!... their "good" glass is in the thousand plus range eek ..
and while I CAN see the difference THOSE lenses make... I CANT see
the difference in cost.... as in performance to cost ratio really
sucks!.....
well... got to get back to work on my challenge pix!.... good
luck all
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Doug Kerr said:
Thank you for your report of your initial experience with the 300D.
It seems to fit well with what I might have expected.

I think we will see a lot of emphasis from many manufacturers on
bringing the SLR experience to the lower-budget enthusiast. Canon
has certainly exhibited some leadership in this area. I think the
300D gives a lot of bang for the buck (as do most of the emerging
digicams, SLR or not). It will be very interesting to see what Fuji
does in this regard.

At this point in time, my main interest in the SLR formulation is
an improvement in effective prefocus shutter release speed over
what I enjoy with my S602. The data available so far on the 300D
suggests that it doesn't make a big enough advance in that area to
really motivate me (perhaps 140 ms vs. perhaps 195 ms for the S602)

I do know how to solve that particular problem for about $7000 -
starting with a Nikon D2H!

Again, enjoy your new machine. It seems as though it is quite capable.

Doug Kerr
Ken Christensen said:
I have a 602 AND the 300D..... and have been shooting them side by
side..... the 602 does a great job... the 300d does too.... you
can sure see the differences in the non PP pix..... the 300D is a
lot less grainy...
taking pix with them the biggest thing is how quick the AF is on
the 300.... and nope... Im not trying to push the 300 on
anyone... I KNOW I like the 602... Im still learning what I think
about the 300....but no complaints so far... except Ive not got
enough $$ to buy a lens besides the kit lens for the 300.... and Im
used to having some decent telephoto range with the 602... Ive got
to buy some fairly exspensive glass to get that now... and
ironically what I consider exspensive the SLR world considers
cheap!... their "good" glass is in the thousand plus range eek ..
and while I CAN see the difference THOSE lenses make... I CANT see
the difference in cost.... as in performance to cost ratio really
sucks!.....
well... got to get back to work on my challenge pix!.... good
luck all
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Many cameras are quite quick from a prefocus situation. But with action shots there are other factors. A not insignificant factor is the blur of moving targets (or moving cameras) combined with laggy evfs. Capturing "action" is going to be enhanced when you know that the prefocus point is on. You simply can't tell that in real time on an evf. That's less significant on predictable action where you can anticipate but on random or truly dynamic action, following a late evf practically guarantees that you will miss the start of action. The true optical picture of an optical finder as in an slr (or optical finder digicam) allows you to both remove the evf delay and eliminates the confusion of blurry evfs.
 
Craig,
Craig Gillette said:
Many cameras are quite quick from a prefocus situation. But with
action shots there are other factors. A not insignificant factor
is the blur of moving targets (or moving cameras) combined with
laggy evfs. Capturing "action" is going to be enhanced when you
know that the prefocus point is on. You simply can't tell that in
real time on an evf. That's less significant on predictable action
where you can anticipate but on random or truly dynamic action,
following a late evf practically guarantees that you will miss the
start of action. The true optical picture of an optical finder
as in an slr (or optical finder digicam) allows you to both remove
the evf delay and eliminates the confusion of blurry evfs.
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I have very little problem with a blurriness in the EVF in the work I do, but the finder lag of course contributes to effective delay in shutter release.

Of course an optical finder (TTL or otherwise) certainly disposes of either phenomenon. I often use a Kodak DC4800 with an optical finder for action shooting.

Doug
 
... The biggest reason was noise/grain in 602 pics and reducing shutter lag. So far I have been very pleased on both counts, especially the fast focus/shutter on the 300D. Focus speed is amazing in relation to the 602.

I've become convinced that sensor size is the most important factor in reducing noise and that Canon's CMOS sensor in the 300D and 10D lead the field. I've been getting great images on the 602 but it pained me to think how much better they would be on a camera with a bigger sensor.

I thought I would miss the 602's video evf, especially for previewing exposure and checking post exposure in the viewfinder. I do miss being able to see post exposure in the viewfinder, although the 300D offsets that by blinking areas of overexposure and providing a side-by-side histogram on post review. I could never focus manually in the 602's viewfinder but can readily on the 300D.

Here's a sample action pic on the 300D


Doug Kerr said:
Ken Christensen said:
I have a 602 AND the 300D..... and have been shooting them side by
side..... the 602 does a great job... the 300d does too.... you
can sure see the differences in the non PP pix..... the 300D is a
lot less grainy...
taking pix with them the biggest thing is how quick the AF is on
the 300.... and nope... Im not trying to push the 300 on
anyone... I KNOW I like the 602... Im still learning what I think
about the 300....but no complaints so far... except Ive not got
enough $$ to buy a lens besides the kit lens for the 300.... and Im
used to having some decent telephoto range with the 602... Ive got
to buy some fairly exspensive glass to get that now... and
ironically what I consider exspensive the SLR world considers
cheap!... their "good" glass is in the thousand plus range eek ..
and while I CAN see the difference THOSE lenses make... I CANT see
the difference in cost.... as in performance to cost ratio really
sucks!.....
well... got to get back to work on my challenge pix!.... good
luck all
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Jim
http://www.pbase.com/doylejj
 
Doug Kerr said:
Doug Kerr said:
. . . so in my eyes thats a single
lens reflex.
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Of course it's only missing the one thing that is really
characteristic of an SLR and that's a mirror!
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Though isn't the whole "single lens" idea that the lens can be replaced as a whole, whereas the S602 and similar need to use conversion lenses? Though that said I believe there are fixed lens SLRs.

I tend to think that the whole advantage of SLRs is deminished by things like the S602 as you've got most stuff and have an advantage over an SLR in not having a mirror swinging about inside. The only disadvantage is the resolution of the EVF isn't up to "glass" viewfinder standards, but do you really need it? As digicams get better the EVFs will only get better anyway, and all it would take is for someone to design a non-SLR that will take SLR lenses and the two markets will blend together with only the more popular point-and-click holiday snappers being different.

The most important difference between the snappers and the prosumer/pro cameras to me is...

TTL viewfinder
Full manual controls
Ability to fit lenses and filters
Bigger lens than a compact snapper

All of these describe an SLR, and also the S602 (and similar).

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My Gallery: http://www.sirjohn.co.uk/gallery
 
The 602 is a great camera, it was my first digicam. I would highly recommend it to anyone thinking of getting a high quality prosumer camera (it is still on sale here in the UK). However, it was not for me, I was disappointed with the viewfinder. Having been used to the clarity and speed of waist level finders on medium format and 35mm I found it frustrating. I bought Fuji's DSLR, yep, there is one, the S2.

We all know the quality that you can get from any Fuji camera (I also have a F601) so if you're going to make the jump from 602, then make it to the S2, there is simply no better camera for the money. The middle ground will simply remain the middle ground.

gibbsy
http://www.pbase.com/gibbsy
 
Gibbsy,

Great news, and good advice!

Doug
Gerwyn Gibbs said:
I bought Fuji's DSLR, yep, there is
one, the S2.
We all know the quality that you can get from any Fuji camera (I
also have a F601) so if you're going to make the jump from 602,
then make it to the S2, there is simply no better camera for the
money. The middle ground will simply remain the middle ground.
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Kenny,
DeadKenny said:
Though isn't the whole "single lens" idea that the lens can be
replaced as a whole,
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Well, the single-lens deal is to do away with another lens, but in fact it certainly makes interchangeability much easier, so that has come to be an important criterion.
DeadKenny said:
whereas the S602 and similar need to use
conversion lenses?
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However, once one has TTL viewing (such as by EVF), interchangeability is just as easily done as for an SLR. We haven't seen that done, and I don't think we will (if only because the SLR formulation is the "groove" down which interchangeable lens interesdts seem to be going.
DeadKenny said:
Thoughthat said I believe there are fixed lens
SLRs
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Indeed..
DeadKenny said:
I tend to think that the whole advantage of SLRs is deminished by
things like the S602 as you've got most stuff and have an advantage
over an SLR in not having a mirror swinging about inside.
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True.
DeadKenny said:
The only
disadvantage is the resolution of the EVF isn't up to "glass"
viewfinder standards, but do you really need it? As digicams get
better the EVFs will only get better anyway
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I'm hoping for that - an EVF that would approach direct optical view in clarity and lag would be very advantageous. It would be better than optical in that info could be overlaid on it, etc (although that could really be done in an optical finder as well).
DeadKenny said:
and all it would take
is for someone to design a non-SLR that will take SLR lenses and
the two markets will blend together with only the more popular
point-and-click holiday snappers being different.
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I think that could be an important breakthrough.

Regards,

Doug
 
Doug Kerr said:
Great news, and good advice!

Doug
Gerwyn Gibbs said:
I bought Fuji's DSLR, yep, there is
one, the S2.
We all know the quality that you can get from any Fuji camera (I
also have a F601) so if you're going to make the jump from 602,
then make it to the S2, there is simply no better camera for the
money. The middle ground will simply remain the middle ground.
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Not me. I'm waiting for a Maxxum DSLR. What I know is there are some shots I can get with my film Maxxum that I just can't with my S602 (or just get lucky with a burst).
 
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